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posted January 10, 2005 07:07 PM
No exhaust here...we chopped nearly all of the "sump" part off and deepend the rest about 2" so its all level (kept the ridges and valleys for the pickup though).
You are correct though..I dont believe youd get much advantage there...the stock pipe would hit long before that pan would. (although I do guess you get a few inches if that by movin the plug away.
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posted January 11, 2005 04:22 AM
I are slowly moving that way... 
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I don't see the point unless you're running a sidewinder exhaust, which CR, VH, and YCIS are not last I checked?
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posted January 12, 2005 04:14 PM
I called Koenig and they say they aren't currently making a 12 billet pan, and don't have plans to make one. 
BUT, on the positive side, i've emailing with Brock and he seems pretty damn sure he is gonna start making one. I'm sending him a stock pan, oil pickup, and lower case to help with the prototype. With any luck the BDE pan and BDE SW will be ready at the same time. (in a couple months???)
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posted January 12, 2005 05:26 PM
If Brock or Hindle ever get finished with a 4-2-1 Sidewinder that can use a Muffler or Megaphone, then the Pan becomes the next thing on the List. This will then allow the Bike to be about 2 more inches lower and the sam ground clearance we have now!
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posted January 13, 2005 06:46 AM
Last I heard Hindle dropped the sidewinder plans all together. If you want one it wouldn't take much to convert a Muzzys sidewinder to use a standard muffler all you need is to adapt the mid pipe.
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posted January 13, 2005 04:48 PM
Peter D Motorsports mods one. The motors can hold up to some dwarf cars screaming around a circle track WFO, so it ought to work good for less than 9 seconds at a time..........
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posted January 15, 2005 09:59 AM
Circle Track Cars are one of the reasons Kawasaki (I think) moved the Cam Drive over to the right side (Along with better water drain on the side stand)
Stating that, The cars deal with a lot of Side Force and the Bikes a lot of Acceleration.
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posted January 20, 2005 07:46 AM
Vince-
KHI couldn't care less or even be aware of the needs of mini-race cars.
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posted January 21, 2005 10:49 AM
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Since they knew about the cars (They have eyes and ears everywhere but pick and choose when to listen  ) and the water build up problem on the side stand, I though it might just have been an added benefit in their reasoning for moving the Cam tower to the Right side. The Same type of mistake BMW Made with the side stand when the built their lay down 4 engine. If they had flipped it over, then the bikes would not look like 2 strokes when starting up.
WHen I called Kawasaki about a problem I had with the ZX11, they knew who I was and what it was I was calling about. DO not play them short. They may care less, but when it suits them, they can be amazing. (It amazed me!!)
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posted January 22, 2005 07:39 AM
The reason MUZZYS does not offer a cut stock or billet pan is because we have had oil loss failures with everything we tried. We do have a billet pan and if you use it with an accumulator you should be OK on a small tire bike.
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posted January 22, 2005 10:21 AM
Oil loss as in oil leaking? or did you mean oil pressure loss???
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posted January 22, 2005 08:02 PM
you are SLOW, he means that less oil in the oil pan results in bearing failures.
I was thinking about this the other day and stood looking at the oil pan for some time. The question the came to my mind is ........... How long does it take for the oil pump to pump the pan dry? This number would be RPM dependant, so lets say at 10,000 RPM's (average rpm in the 1/4)how long would it take?
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posted January 22, 2005 09:52 PM
Why would there be less oil in the pan if modifying the pan to run a sidewinder/no exhaust setup?
My pan mod has easily increased the amount of oil the pan will hold by a significant margin...sure hope I dont suffer from "less oil in the pan" sort of loss.
Concentrate on being less of a dick sometimes and lighten up.
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posted January 25, 2005 12:07 PM
Didn't mean to hurt your feelings......LOL
You may be holding more oil, but are you really? Is the "flat" oil pan the right design to suck the oil properly when under high demand? Rob says NO...... How hard is it to "cavitate' (is that the right word) the oil pump under hard acceleration and high demand?
Those are important questions.....
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posted January 25, 2005 01:11 PM
I might have very good new's for anyone who wants a billet Oil pan,
Koenig Engineering is starting development of the ZX12 Billet Oilpan with the swing pickup. I am assisting him, and as soon as it is avaliable, I will let everyone know!
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posted January 25, 2005 01:18 PM
Edited By: rac4it on 25 Jan 2005 13:18
damn I better tell Lee to hold off on the Coby pan I just told him I wanted on my engine... 
I'm in search of a sidewinder..
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posted January 25, 2005 01:28 PM
I PM'ed you? or emailed you. give me a shout if you want a new one.
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posted January 25, 2005 02:39 PM
Mike, even Po me would "Like" to have one eventually this year!
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posted January 26, 2005 08:28 AM
So MIke, are you addressing the questions that I ask above in your design? If so, how is your design different so that you don't come to the conclusion that Rob Muzzy has already found out?
How does anyone lower the bike more and keep the front feder off the intake? Will the guys with a sidewinder be any faster than a bike without the muffler?!
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posted January 26, 2005 01:23 PM
I dont have the intake any longer...thats not an issue.
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posted January 26, 2005 01:59 PM
You should lower the bike with lowering blocks and proper valving and springs, makes a WORLD of difference.
Run braided steel lines too so you dont have the stock brake junction smashing down on the fender.
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How does anyone lower the bike more and keep the front fender off the intake? Will the guys with a sidewinder be any faster than a bike without the muffler?!
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posted January 26, 2005 03:48 PM
the pan actually holds more oil and with the swing pick up, it goes where the oil is going also, this in turn keeps the pickup in the oil at all times. I am not sure about the oil pump cavation problem. it will prevent sucking air. I will know more as the design goes forward.
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