nos rob
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posted July 02, 2004 01:45 AM
MTC multi stage questions
Hi guys,
I have been on the side for a while, finally getting a bit better, 9.5 at 154.
Anyway I have decided to get serious and get myself a clutch setup.
Bike is an '02 at 64" and I will be upping the spray from 50 to close to 100 soon.
Want a clutch, MTC advised a multi stage is the go for shootout, the class a few guys here in Sydney, Australia are starting is Outlaw Pro Streetbike, most things allowed but no sliders, I also ride on the road.
After examining everything I could read about the multi stage clutch I have drawn the following conclusions:-
1)At the strip I will be able to drop the clutch and go to WOT and the clutch will do the rest (once properly set up)
2)I can still ride the bike on the road without too much hassel.
3)It should not break the puller like the other brand.
4)I need to send bits to MTC and it is not cheap.
Are these views correct?
MTC have told me I will need to send the pressure plate, cover and shaft that goes into the top of the cover.
Anything else?
The clutch in my bike is totally stock with over 20,000 miles and about 30 x 1/4 mile runs.
Should I get them to convert the basket to billet, supply a better hub, supply better fibres and steels, while I'm at it?
What about springs?
Maybe it would be best to send them everything I have and then bend over?
Anything else?
Regards,
NOS Rob
  
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01zx12r
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posted July 02, 2004 04:49 AM
BAD IDEA
I've fought exactly what youre getting ready to experience. An MTC Mulitstage clutch isnt needed and will cause you more headache then you want on a stock bike.
The spring selection (base pressure springs) will not be the stock springs and you will pull your hair out trying to find the combonation that will allow you to "Throw AWAY" the clutch lever.
What are your 60ft times now? Every little change you make to the bike, shock adjustments, ride height, fuel, air density will effect the clutch set-up. Unless you are planning on making over 200hp in the near future I would advise against installing the clutch.
Now on the other hand, MTC makes a good product (I had one of the first) and im in the process of getting it set for my engine combo this season. Last year bike was stock with a 60hp shot of Nitrous. This season its a 1320cc that makes over 300hp on the bottle.
Everyone's riding style is different so you will set the clutch for what works for you..not what someone suggests. That doesnt work...Trust me...
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posted July 02, 2004 07:57 AM
Ive heard the same thing...wondeful product..just a nightmare to get adjusted properly.
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cowboy
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posted July 02, 2004 08:49 AM
MTC=the only real lockup choice there is right now for us.
Bit of a pain to set up and you will never(unless your at 68 inches and have everything set up perfect,clutch suspension track condition etc)be able to" THROW"the lever away.
Real pain for street riding but possible.
You should definately get a billet basket.
You will still break your "puller"(lol) if you pull the clutch in at high speed
If you have half decent 60's and your doing alot of street riding still I would advise just the billet basket and 3 stiff springs.
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nos rob
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posted July 02, 2004 01:34 PM
Guys,
Once again I thank you, I sure am glad I asked.
My 60 footers are low 1.6, 1.5 isin't too far away.
Will get me some stiffer springs and the basket, save some money and heartache.
Are the ZX6 springs as strong as the Muzzy / Schnitz ones?
NOS Rob
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cowboy
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posted July 02, 2004 08:38 PM
I have a new set (3)of Muzzy springs somewhere I could sell ya for half price+ shipping?
Not exactly sure what they are worth new and I should have 6 of them around if anyone else is looking?
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posted July 03, 2004 09:23 AM
NOS ROB...Dont touch your clutch set up!!!...From 2002 to now Kawasaki finally put the best set up in it...All you need is a BilletBasket, and when you need new clutches then you put in all 12 same size frictions and the 11 1.6 steels which is what is already there!!!...Also the springs are OEM 1881 and are perfect leave those in...If you put in stiffer springs as in the ZX6 springs then you will be getting big wheelies at the launch which will slow you down and cut the clutch life in half...
What gearing do you have?...Air Shifter?...What your Elevation down under?
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bossman12r
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posted July 03, 2004 01:37 PM
My 02 did well until I went bigger than a 40 shoot. I put the 6 muzzy springs in it and it did well up to a 70 shoot. Tried a 80 shoot but the clutch slipped.
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nos rob
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posted July 03, 2004 03:21 PM
CrotchRocket,
Thanks for the info, my gearing is 17/51 and she is stretched to 64", Holeshot Powershifter and the altitude is not very high, upto 1000' I guess.
I am going to get the billet basket but It sure costs a lot for what you get.
By the time I get it on my bike it will cost me over 1,000 of my aussie dollars!
Any idea who offers the best turn around time, seems all the companies have got together to "fix" the price on the thing.
bossman12r,
How come your clutch still slips with 6 Muzzy springs installed, have you got a wet or dry nos setup?
Does it slip on activation or at top speed only, just curious because more spring pressure seems to be the common fix for the slip?
NOS Rob
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bossman12r
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posted July 03, 2004 04:55 PM
It held great up to 240hp but after that it started to slip. At the time I had a 2 stage dry 80 shoot. The mtc multi stage is a bear to set up if you are not pushing 220 out the gate.
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CrotchRocket
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posted July 03, 2004 05:41 PM
 Edited By: CrotchRocket on 3 Jul 2004 18:43
nos...call Muzzys and order the BilletBasket with the gear on it for the 2002 ZX12...$600 now is a small price to pay for a new engine case later...
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bossman12r
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posted July 03, 2004 05:42 PM
Edited By: bossman12r on 3 Jul 2004 18:43
Yes, make sure it is for an 02 I got an 00-01 back did not know it until someone ask me. I thought the baskets were the same 
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TurboBlew
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posted July 04, 2004 01:20 AM
The 02s and newer have a different spring arangement on the backing plate.
Either one will work though. Not sure if there are any long term effects.
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nos rob
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posted July 05, 2004 01:48 AM
Thanks guys,
I have faxed Muzzy an order for the basket, will they be on holidays today, your Monday? (yesterday for me in a few hours)
I need to phone them to confirm my order and don't want to waste an international phone call on an answering phone.
NOS Rob
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posted July 05, 2004 04:51 AM
just so you know, if you order from Muzzys direct when they ship it to you, delivery requires a signature.......
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rapidroy
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posted February 13, 2008 02:53 PM
MTC clutch
I had a 2 stage mtc on my kz and it worked good. When I got one for the zx14 it did not work with stock springs. Turns out it is the same lockup plate as the KZ model. You have to buy their soft springs to get the clutch to work as a multi stage.
Big surprise huh. the springs on the zx14 are 2x as long as kz springs.
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posted February 13, 2008 03:08 PM
and i thought i was bad at bringing old threads back to life lol
we have the clutch dr in now, Nox, hows the multi going? 
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posted February 13, 2008 04:38 PM
I would say okay......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGH_IyvkQ8
It is better now, I just have not uploaded the video yet. May play with it a little tonight and upload some more.
I have a billet basket from Muzzys. I never broke my stocker though, someone here has it....
Mine came from buddy........, 2000 or 2001......., fits just like my other, I saw no differences........, what difference is there, Falicon does not list a difference?
Dr. Nox.
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posted February 13, 2008 04:41 PM
quote:
MTC=the only real lockup choice there is right now for us.
Bit of a pain to set up and you will never(unless your at 68 inches and have everything set up perfect,clutch suspension track condition etc)be able to" THROW"the lever away.
Real pain for street riding but possible.
You should definately get a billet basket.
You will still break your "puller"(lol) if you pull the clutch in at high speed
If you have half decent 60's and your doing alot of street riding still I would advise just the billet basket and 3 stiff springs.
WRONG. I did it at 64 inches.
Depends on how you set it up. I even did it with a single stage......., but I did wear out the toes in a pair of simpson shoes......., I would have been fine with a multi.
Wish I knew then what I know now. My bar bike would have run STUPID quick for no pc, and no pipe. I could have gotten 1.25s 1.31 was my best.
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posted February 13, 2008 04:43 PM
quote:
I've fought exactly what youre getting ready to experience. An MTC Mulitstage clutch isnt needed and will cause you more headache then you want on a stock bike.
The spring selection (base pressure springs) will not be the stock springs and you will pull your hair out trying to find the combonation that will allow you to "Throw AWAY" the clutch lever.
What are your 60ft times now? Every little change you make to the bike, shock adjustments, ride height, fuel, air density will effect the clutch set-up. Unless you are planning on making over 200hp in the near future I would advise against installing the clutch.
Now on the other hand, MTC makes a good product (I had one of the first) and im in the process of getting it set for my engine combo this season. Last year bike was stock with a 60hp shot of Nitrous. This season its a 1320cc that makes over 300hp on the bottle.
Everyone's riding style is different so you will set the clutch for what works for you..not what someone suggests. That doesnt work...Trust me...
Unless you have someone help you along........, and help tune it to you.........
Stuart Racing can attest to it.......
You just have to talk to your doctor on regular occasions.........
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posted February 13, 2008 04:47 PM
quote:
Hi guys,
I have been on the side for a while, finally getting a bit better, 9.5 at 154.
Anyway I have decided to get serious and get myself a clutch setup.
Bike is an '02 at 64" and I will be upping the spray from 50 to close to 100 soon.
Want a clutch, MTC advised a multi stage is the go for shootout, the class a few guys here in Sydney, Australia are starting is Outlaw Pro Streetbike, most things allowed but no sliders, I also ride on the road.
After examining everything I could read about the multi stage clutch I have drawn the following conclusions:-
1)At the strip I will be able to drop the clutch and go to WOT and the clutch will do the rest (once properly set up)
2)I can still ride the bike on the road without too much hassel.
3)It should not break the puller like the other brand.
4)I need to send bits to MTC and it is not cheap.
Are these views correct?
MTC have told me I will need to send the pressure plate, cover and shaft that goes into the top of the cover.
Anything else?
The clutch in my bike is totally stock with over 20,000 miles and about 30 x 1/4 mile runs.
Should I get them to convert the basket to billet, supply a better hub, supply better fibres and steels, while I'm at it?
What about springs?
Maybe it would be best to send them everything I have and then bend over?
Anything else?
Regards,
NOS Rob
With your mph, you should be running 8s. I have run 9.3 at 140, at the Nopi Nationals in Memphis, throwing the lever, in 104 degree heat, with no pc.
Get a lock up. You will not regret it.
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posted February 13, 2008 04:48 PM
Edited By: NOX on 13 Feb 2008 16:51
64 inches, throwing the lever, at 4000 rpm, in the quarter finals. 2005 Memphis Nopi Nationals, I got beat in the semis
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posted February 13, 2008 05:52 PM
I have a SINGLE stage,( Muzzy at that),"NOX" tuned.......And I through it out at 7000 rpm's with little to no wheelies 1.4's to 1.5's in the 60's....Of course I had got the lockup pretty much tuned already from "NOX"...But still had to fine tune it for the street...It works perfect either way(street/strip)....If you saw it you wouldn't think it would work,but it DOES...You really don't need the multi though...JMO...
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posted February 13, 2008 06:05 PM
hey Nox, what do you think you could get my dads bike(2000 12r) to run? this is the build list:
8 over arm, slick n bars, low first gear, muzzy sidewinder, pc3, port matched head(clean up job) stock motor otherwise, maybe extended ecu, 16 55(?) gearing
1.25s 60'? better ?(not sure if you had the low first in your estimates above)
thx
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posted February 13, 2008 06:15 PM
I could get it to hum high 1.2s, 1.30 or 1.31 would be easy. Does he run a two step?
I ran 16/56 gearing........ That bike should run 8.7s in cold air. With someone my size on it, What does he weigh.
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