Hells Dark Lord
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posted November 17, 2003 03:41 PM
I like 180 as well, but prefer 60 north to Morganton, or Richard Russell...those roads rock.....and I really like Blood Mountin....but any riding up there is good riding. I wont go to Deals unless its a weekday....too many idiots on it on the weekend....
Koz, a supercharged V-6 might turn the HP numbers, but there is no way a tacoma will tow or haul as much as my 2500HD. Sometimes there has to be more than numbers....my buddies Tacoma pulls his 18ft trailer witha an load bearing hitch, and anti-sway rigs...my 2500 pulls it easier and better with out all the extras....if I use the anti sway hitch, and loadbearing rig for his trailer, you dont even know the trailer is back there. Granted I get shit for gas mileage, but hey, I didnt buy it for economics....I bought it to WORK...just my .02 worth...
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posted November 17, 2003 06:55 PM
K... I looked at 4.7l Durnagos... they seem to be very reasonably priced... any info?
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posted November 17, 2003 07:00 PM
Yah, prolly too much for you. Are you looking at the 2003 or 2004 Durango? 2004 is a brand new vehicle.
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posted November 17, 2003 07:22 PM
03's are dirt cheap here.. prolly cuz of the redisgn fer the '04
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mattie_k
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posted November 17, 2003 09:57 PM
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Koz, a supercharged V-6 might turn the HP numbers, but there is no way a tacoma will tow or haul as much as my 2500HD. Sometimes there has to be more than numbers....my buddies Tacoma pulls his 18ft trailer witha an load bearing hitch, and anti-sway rigs...my 2500 pulls it easier and better with out all the extras....if I use the anti sway hitch, and loadbearing rig for his trailer, you dont even know the trailer is back there. Granted I get shit for gas mileage, but hey, I didnt buy it for economics....I bought it to WORK...just my .02 worth...
Same reason I got my 2500HD just recently, for its capabilities and safety. It all depends on what you intend on using the vehicle for, if ya just need something to tow a small (sub 5000lbs) trailer then an xterra would do.
Too bad they are so ugly though.
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posted November 18, 2003 02:28 AM
bullshit mattie, u got that monster cause yer sac yearned for it! 
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted November 18, 2003 04:31 AM
and yer point is what Freek????? lmfao
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posted November 18, 2003 04:43 AM
I think the point is that freek yearns for sac! 
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted November 18, 2003 04:49 AM
hmmm must be true, he isnt disputeing it......
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posted November 18, 2003 10:43 AM
HDL,
There is no way the Taco compares to a 250/350 (Or any HD full size) in pulling power. But, as far as performance, it is fun spanking SS-454s and R/T 5.9s.
By the way, the Xterra with the supercharger does not run as good as a Taco without a supercharger. The V6 in the Xterra is a DOG!
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posted November 18, 2003 10:57 AM
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I think the point is that freek yearns for sac!
Sac all around! I actually got the monster for the 4 doors. And the fact it will pull the 5th wheel no problems.
Not complaining that it looks hot too though.
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Koz
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posted November 18, 2003 12:14 PM
Scooter,
What is the 7th injector?
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redelk
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posted November 18, 2003 06:30 PM
Koz, moving around 22' and 7,000 lbs worth of truck (countin' my fat ass and a full 35 gal. tank) and exactly for spankin' much of anything. That is unless it's hooked up to the back end.
I just wish diesel fuel was more readily available in the rural (and sometime even urban) areas I often drive in. Even though diesel really isn't any cheaper than gasoline these days, my MPG would double with a nice lil' Cummins Turbo. Not to mention for about $6K, I could be talkin' about numbers like 600+ HP and 1100+ ft/lbs (without N2O or propane injection) and still gettin' over 20 mpg while haulin' 10,000+ pounds! Not to mention such trucks have done 12 second quarters at damn near 120 mph.
Still, for me, it's all about being able to haul all my shit. My hemi might not be able to haul a house, but I tend to prefer the room of the Quad Cab, the room of my camper shell covered 8' bed and what it can tow (i.e. our 8.5 x 20 race trailer). It's kind nice having all that room for a 6.5 KW generator, 33 gal. compressor, and tons of other race junk and still not having opened up the trailer.
Plus I get my 5 speed and when I fold up the back seats and fold down cargo platforms, I got a perfectly flat storage area that can hole even more big stuff. It's was kinda nice havin' that when I was haulin' over a 1000 lbs worth of huge decals that I didn't want to put in the bed, but were to big to flex over the center hump in the cab. Those nice "little things" is what works best for me, my work and my play. A Toyota or Nissan just couldn't fit the bill for seating, storage and cargo space AND have the towing capabilities. Only the Double Cab comes close and they were not available last year.
We'll see what's out there when I send this truck out to pasture... in about 10 more years.
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posted November 18, 2003 06:39 PM
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Scooter,
What is the 7th injector?
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Something you'll need 
Another injector upstream of the SC. Richens it up a touch, gets rid of the lean ping you sometimes get. Acts as an intercooler and adds 45 hp, always a good thing.
Sent you an email with the gorey details.
Sorry for hijacking your thread, Fish.
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Koz
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posted November 19, 2003 07:19 AM
Scooter,
Thanks for the info on the 7th, but I do not think it is good for a 98. I emailed them to see.
Thanks again
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posted November 25, 2003 10:27 AM
I have a 2000 4wd SE, it's never been stuck. used to have a 4runner before this can't really tell the difference in the two as far as power but I can say they will both pull out a stuck DURANGO any day
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posted November 25, 2003 05:20 PM
Koz, you said...
Now throw on the Toyota Racing Development supercharger and the Tacoma is right up there with the top performers (Except the Lightning).
Toyota 3.4-liter DOHC EFI V6
Stock: 190 hp / 220 ft. - lbs. (source: Toyota.com)
TRD Supercharger 256hp / 267 ft.-lbs. (source: TRDRacing.com)
5.7 Dodge Hemi
Stock: 345 hp / 365 ft.-lbs. (source: Dodge.com)
$170 intake: 359 hp / 390 ft.-lbs.
Nothin' personal, bro.. but according to their respective websites, even the TRD supercharged 3.4 V6 doesn't even come close to a stock Hemi. SUre, when you throw in the overall weight differences, I'm sure that the TRD could get in the ballpark when it comes to lbs. per hp... kinda close.
Still, like I said, I need lots of room for 4 to 5 folks, payload room (i.e. 8' bed) and towing capibility in excess of the 5000 lbs Toyota says can be safely pulled by a Tacoma. When it comes to stop light to stop light or towing 3500 lbs. +/- to TWO, I'm sure the TRD S Runner or Double Cabs are real nice. But neither one even comes colse to really meeting my peresonal and professional needs. That why I mentioned the Tundra Double Cab with it's I-Force V8.
Sadly, Toyota claims the Tundra 4X4 Double Cab's 4.7 V8 puts out 240 hp / 315 ft.-lbs and has a towing capacity of 6,500 lbs. Again, close, but no cigar. Though our race team's specifications for the race trailer has changed, the overall payload requirements surpass anything Toyota says it can safely carry and tow. Sorry, but that's just the facts.
Even when I take into account the real world effects of running larger tires and what it does to the towing potential of my truck, it still SMOKES Toyota's best offerings in the catagories of capacity and comfort, no matter what aftermarket additions are done. As I mentioned earlier, since it's "all about payload" as far as I am concerned, it's been proven time and time again that no Japanese truck can hold a candle when compared to their equally standardly configured American counterpart.
If one wishes to go all out and start spending the $ for TRD parts, then give me the same amount to spend on a Dodge Turbo Diesel, and I can promise you that I'll be able to at least double, if not triple any of the best numbers of the TRD. One can talk value all the want, but when it comes to a "work truck" that's gonna be around for 10+ years and push past the limits that would snap a Tacoma in half, the only choice are those dumb ole worthless American POS.
Zhooligan once said,
My 99 Dodge 1 ton with a Cummins is slightly modified. The intake has been changes, the down pipe and exhaust changed, the injectors changed, the waste gate changed and a dyno source chip has been installed. On 4 different occasions, and on three different dynos, She has dynoed at over 550 rear wheel horsepower. And just under 1400 foot pounds of torque.
He also gave this challange,
Lets hook up 20,000 pounds and race to the top of the hill. And what's even cooler about my cummins is with it loaded it will pull better mileage than the gas engine trucks get coasting down hill!!
The best part is his view towards trucks and cars,
If you want a truck buy a truck. If you want a car buy a car!
That's not to say a Toyota TRD Tacoma Double Cab (S & Pre Runners are not 4X4s) is not a "truck", but it's main purpose is not for hauling serious payloads or towing. The Tundra Double Cab 4X4 is more suited for it, but still pales in a practical comparison. Before we got our Dodge last year, I spent over six months looking at ever aspect of every make of truck out there before I made my choice. I had been driving Chevys almost exclusively since 1978 and it was going to be tough to even consider a different brand, but I tried to be fair.
The criteria was simple. They necessary items included, 4X4, 5 speed, room for 5 adults (COMFORTABLY), 8' bed, towing of 7,000 lbs, extended warranty with complete coverage, something I could live with for 10 years or more and all within a reasonable price that our company could afford. Going from what was available in the late fall of 2002, the Dodge 2500HD was the only truck that could meet all of the criteria I had set out. Since I have not owned a "personal vehicle" since my 1980 Subaru 4 door (not counting the taking over payments of my late brothers '97 Talon for six months) and I since can barely afford my bike payments, a new "personal vehicle" is way out of the question.
Seeing as how the company's truck is practically my personal vehicle as well, that is why it was so important to find something that would fit all of the needs of my company and still be nice enough to meet my personal needs. Since I'm (and the company) stuck with my choice for about a decade, I don't feel I did too bad. Any misgivings I might have over my choice are quickly earased by the fact I don't have to pay for anything on the truck except when I use it to go to the Gap. The 2500HD's gas mileage might make it a tad mor expensive then a TRD, but I ain't sweating that.
The bottom line is that the TRD and even the Tundra seem to be great trucks. Just like the Xterra and the other Japanese SUVs (my sister has a CRV, my daughter an Accord SE and her boyfriend a Acura). I'm sure that they would be perfect for the needs of 99.9% of the folks out ther... just not for me.
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posted November 25, 2003 06:17 PM
We've just got a few of the 04 Durango's - totally new vehicle, alot bigger than the old model.
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Koz
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posted November 26, 2003 04:17 AM
Just for info, Toyota will have a FULL sized pickup truck, with power, for 2004.
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posted November 26, 2003 01:29 PM
Those numbers are for the '04 Tundra. Still comes up short.
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