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posted November 09, 2003 03:40 PM
Heh heh heh................ 
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frEEk
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posted November 09, 2003 06:14 PM
isnt airbus french? & we DO have bombarier [sp]
as to "nationality" of cars, arent most imports in north america manufactured here, either in US or canada? of course, most of our (canadian) "american" cars like GM etc are built in canada too. so i think realistically its all a moot point. it's just a matter of how headquarters recuits & directs their designers.
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fish_antlers
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posted November 09, 2003 11:59 PM
oh.. .and all your water are belong to us.
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jonwright
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posted November 10, 2003 01:12 AM
My Durango has almost 80k miles with the 5.9L engine. No probs. It'll smoke da tires and I can do donuts all day long on dry pavement. Haul four bikes, four guys, tools and gear locking it in at 90 mph with no problems.
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redelk
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posted November 10, 2003 08:08 AM
quote:
I need a SUV with towing capacity etc..
What are you towing? Is it a ton or several?
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fish_antlers
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posted November 10, 2003 09:47 AM
need ability to tow 5000+ lbs ...
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Koz
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posted November 10, 2003 10:44 AM
V8 4Runner with a TRD blower!
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dougmeyer
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posted November 10, 2003 11:24 AM
My Durango 5.9 is rated at 7000lb tow. Gotta use a lot of pedal at that weight, though.
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necro
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posted November 10, 2003 12:15 PM
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oh.. .and all your water are belong to us.
And the sewage
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TurboBlew
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posted November 10, 2003 01:45 PM
That new Nissan is call Titan. I believe it has 5,000lb towing capacity too.
Even the base model is 300hp/365lb ft. It woops the Tundra and F150 to sleep. The only thing close is the Hemmay, but they always tow a trailer during the comparisons! 
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posted November 10, 2003 02:55 PM
Yah, the Titan's nice. Isn't it built in Tennessee?
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posted November 10, 2003 03:04 PM
Yeah... Im pretty sure they are. They are previewing them in Clearwater, FL right now for dealers. I got to smoke the tires on one this past Saturday.
It must be nice to drive around the country with $250k worth of trucks on your trailer and beat the hell out of them.
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redelk
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posted November 10, 2003 04:54 PM
 Edited By: redelk on 10 Nov 2003 17:23
Max. trailer weight towing specs.
SUVs (2WD)
Element - 1500
Xterra - 5,000
4Runner (V8) - 7,300
Durango - 7,400
Trucks (2WD)
Tacoma -3,500
Tundra (V8) - 7,100
Titan - 9,500*
Elkmobile (4WD/3.73/Hemi/5 speed) - 8,650
*- not too specific on how they came up with this number
NOTE Maximum trailer weights are rounded to the nearest 50 lbs. Maximum Trailer Weight = GCWR - Curb Wt.
To be more accurate, you need to subtract at least the weight of the driver. Realistically, you should subtract the total weight of all passengers AND additional payload.
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redelk
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posted November 10, 2003 06:36 PM
Edited By: redelk on 10 Nov 2003 18:39
In doing some research for our team's proposed trailer, I've learned that just like bikes, "sheet specs" and "real world specs" are rarely the same. Factors like number/load rating of trailer axles (tandem or triple, 3,500 or 5,000, etc.), length of trailer, tongue weight and even having an exact match of the tongue to hitch heights, will also have an effect of the how easy/safely the trailer tows. I got this from an RV Towing website. I found it to be an interesting way to calculate "real world" towing capabilities. The following table are the numbers for my 2003 Dodge 2500 Quad-Cab, Hemi, 5 speed manual, 3.73 axle ratio (claimed capability of towing 8,650), and an estimated weight numbers from Jonathan and my proposed 8.5' x 26' race team trailer with living quarters.
When looking at tow vehicle and trailer combinations, it is important to stay within the maximum weight ratings for the tow vehicle and trailer. Many people find out after they have purchased the vehicle and trailer that they have exceeded these ratings. In order to avoid this situation, you need to research the weights from the vehicle and trailer brochures, and do some math.
Truck Specification from Dodge website
GVWR 8,800
Curb Weight (brochure) 6,221
Payload 2,580
GCVWR (Truck + Trailer) 15,000
Trailer Specification
Gross Weight 7,000*
Curb Weight 4,500**
Hitch Weight 400
* - overall estimated weight when loaded - includes 3 R6 race bikes, toolboxes and all other racing gear in trailer
** - Trailer Dry Weight 3,500 + Living Quarters Est. Weight 1000
Calculated Weights
GVW (Truck + Hitch Weight) 6,621
Available Truck Payload (Payload - Hitch Weight) 2,180 for driver, passengers and any additional gear in vehicle
GCWR (Truck + Trailer) 13,221
Available Towing Capacity 1,779
That last number is the "biggie". It's the amount of leeway you actually have. So, with my truck, I'd be pushing (or is it "pulling it") the max weight limits with our proposed trailer. Especially with the 12.5 x 35 tires reducing my effective gear ratio. This reduced axle ratio could lower my truck's towing capabilities by 1,000 pounds and possibly as much as 2,000 pounds. A fraction of this can be compensated with a load distributing hitch, but not something like 2,000 pounds worth. Even though they have the payload weight "kind of" separate from towing capacity, I think that any additional payload weight (hitch weight, people and gear in vehicle) also needs to be subtracted from that final number. Just to play it safe. Four 200 pound guys, ice chests, suitcases and what ever else is in the truck, added to the hitch weight can easily add up to 1,500 pounds.
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BROOKLYNNYZX-12
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posted November 10, 2003 09:42 PM
I must reply to the opening statement about American trucks not holding their value...I thought they did...last I checked all of the big 3 make pretty good trucks...my 2001 Silverado Z-71 has preformed flawless for me...not a problem at all.
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posted November 11, 2003 09:31 PM
holding their value means when you go to buy a used toyota it still costs a huge chunk of change. american units devalue enormously compared to imports and esp toyota. "value" and "flawless performance" are two very different things. value is what someone will pay you for it.
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posted November 12, 2003 05:16 AM
I wouldnt "overpay" for a used Toyota. Its just the way Toyota "eases" consumers minds for charging $30k for a $20k pickup truck. A truck is a truck... Toyotas arent any different than any other brand...they have problems too. If you overpay... used or new... you're just a sucker.
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posted November 12, 2003 01:37 PM
No Fish, 'value' is your perception of something's worth. I don't care if it's a house, bike, car or the sock on your left foot. What's it worth to you? That's what it's value is.
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posted November 13, 2003 09:59 PM
fine then... "market value"
so there.
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Koz
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posted November 14, 2003 05:02 AM
If you want the BEST you will have to pay a little more. The American makers do NOT compare to Toyota. The only time the American trucks are better is when you need Heavy Duty. But if all you need is 5000 lbs. towing power, you do not need a heavy duty gas guzzler. I have a PreRunner (Special 2wd off road) Taco (Tacoma) with a 3.4 V6. I also had a TRD supercharger installed when new. As a dealer option you get the full warranty (Mine was 5 years/60K). The V6 (Stock) Tacoma can tow 5000 lbs. and has a payload of 1745lbs. I have 70K miles on it, with NO repairs - NONE, just tires and brake pads. With the blower and K&N it makes 275 hp. It will melt 31in tires, and runs a 14.9 quarter (With automatic), and gets over 20 mpg. I put my bike in the back and tow a trailer with two other bikes and can set the cruise at 70 mph with the overdrive engaged and go up hills, without that annoying disengaging. This is the BEST vehicle I've ever owed. O Ya, you are looking at about 21 Thousand with the blower. Talk about "Bang For The Buck".
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bowser
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posted November 14, 2003 06:04 AM
Edited By: bowser on 14 Nov 2003 08:13
woof!
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posted November 16, 2003 07:21 AM
hey Scooter, was looking through the post and came across the pics tha tyou posted, I was like"thats TWO" then read on in the post and say what you wrote...to freaking funny...Kelly and I love that place, amd glad its not 1000 miles from me though....its about 350 from me. Gonna bea bit farther from Louisville when we moce up there....
As far as an Xterra, I have no clue...I have my 2002 2500HD and wouldnt trade it for anything..I am getting about 15MPG out of it withoput the trailer, and about 11mpg pulling my 14ft enclosed trailer.....6L motor, and 4.10 gears....isnt the best on gas mileage, but pulls anything I want. It will be pulling my brothers 30ft enclosed car hauler from here in Savannah up to Louisville when we go. Put a high rise camper shell on the back and you have a bigger version of Scooters Rig. Kinda like the Elk mobile, but not as long...lmfao
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posted November 16, 2003 10:40 PM
Since I don't have money to burn and tend to keep my trucks a little longer than most (last one was 11 years), "resale value" is not as important. I got $6000 in trade on my old truck and paid $18,500 in '91. I might have save a few thousand if I had bought one of those "baby trucks" the Japanese were offering back then, but for what we used it for (work/haulin' team bikes, etc.), a smaller truck wouldn't do.
If it was a "personal" vehicle, that would likely be a different story. I might look at an SUV, but odds are I'd stick with a truck, but I get it with a 6 1/2' bed (an 8' can be a real bitch sometimes). Though the Tacoma Double Cab is almost roomy as the Dodge Quad Cab, the standard features and available options pale in comparison. Since you can't get a standard transmission in a Tacoma V8 4X4 anyway, it would rule it out completely. Gotta have my 5 speed.
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Koz
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posted November 17, 2003 12:31 PM
Sherm,
A V8 is not available in the Tacoma. But the 3.4 V6 (STOCK) is more then a match for most American V8s. Now throw on the Toyota Racing Development supercharger and the Tacoma is right up there with the top performers (Except the Lightning). Also you get a 5 speed with the supercharged 3.4 V6. Take a look at the S-Runner Tacoma!
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Scooter
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posted November 17, 2003 12:46 PM
HDL, the ZRX rally has been there for a few years. Hwy 180 is better than the Gap IMHO.
I plan on drivin my baby truck until the wheels fall off, hopefully a looong time. I don't tow much so I like ease of parking a smaller truck and the better mpg. No stick for the Double Cab tho, that would be nice. 'Yota is supposed to come out with the Tundra Double Cab next year with big hp/tq numbers.
Hey Koz, you looked into the 7th injector yet? Another 45 hp!
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