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posted December 16, 2001 06:53 AM
KLEEN air/ crank case evacuation
Looked for info? Pros/Cons, HP gain I remember seeing the vacum measurement some where. any information on the subject would be great. couldnt do the dallas bike show. to much rain!
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posted December 16, 2001 08:44 AM
I was wondering the same thing. I'm just about
to remove my Kleen Air and was wanting to do
connect the two. Any info. on the oil in the exhaust?
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posted December 16, 2001 08:53 AM
looks to me like the same amount of oil is already going in only thru the air box first. this way it will go strait to the exhaust. it looks simple enough. just looking for a few opinions
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MO
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posted December 16, 2001 11:11 AM
its hooked up thru the kleen air valve. creates vacuum under no load conitions. going to H deopt to get a peice of clear hose to run up along over flow tank to moniter oil blow by it will be a larger DIA. to act as separater
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posted December 16, 2001 01:03 PM
ready for a test ride, but its raining it draws down alot of vacuum I was suprised take off the oil fill cap put your hand over it will suck pretty good! the clear tube went right on. in the garage reved hard not one speck of oil. will report after road test,
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wilson1
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posted December 16, 2001 01:28 PM
where did you attach clear hose ¿¿
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MO
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posted December 16, 2001 01:38 PM
between the kleen air valve & crank case vent to moniter blow by oil, and its dry as a bone so far
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posted December 16, 2001 01:48 PM
Horsepower?
Mo...You should theoretically get more horsepower as the vacuum in the crankcase should promote better ring seal.  -ZXtra
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posted December 16, 2001 01:58 PM
 Edited By: wilson1 on 16 Dec 2001 13:59
MO did you remove the klean air system by using block off plates ¿¿ and just leave valve in place ¿¿
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posted December 16, 2001 02:19 PM
looks like I have some block off plates to get rid of. I put all the kleen air parts back on including the reed valves but dont hook the vacuum to the KLn air valve its in the open position already disconect the crank case breather tube from the air box & plug hole then conect breather hose to the back of the kleen air valve, did several red line runs and still no sign of oil in the clear tube or no oil making it up to the exhaust. there should be a measurable HP gain! to do this same mod to any other engine would require alot of fabricating & $ were very lucky it falls together so easy. If your still not sure give me a few days to test and I will evaluate
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posted December 16, 2001 02:46 PM
KLEEN air/ crank case evacuation
I wonder if Muzzy fooled around with this setup? If so, What were the results? Doug Myers, are you listening?
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posted December 16, 2001 04:11 PM
10+ mi.,a couple 160+ runs & a bounce off the rev limiter. still no sign of oil in the inspection tube. under no load, seems to develop a lot of vacuum, under a load should develope more vac due to higher exaust speed, but also create more blow by.I read about this awhile ago I know there is more info out there?
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posted December 16, 2001 05:13 PM
KLEEN air/ crank case evacuation
I think the hot ticket for the ZX12 is to run the crankcase vent tub to the rear tail section with one of those tiny K&N filters on the end and let it vent naturally without any vacume or airbox preasure. I'm not sure that hooking it up to the kleen air system is the best thing to do. I need another beer!
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entropy
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posted December 16, 2001 05:15 PM
do a search on suzukihayabusa.org for this issue. The Busa boyz have been discussing, testing this for a while. Lots of info. positive results. the mod is on my list. 
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posted December 16, 2001 06:00 PM
entropy, Thanks for the info. After reading the suzukihayabusa board, I'm still going with my origional idea. I think naturally venting the crankcase is the best way to go.
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posted December 16, 2001 06:03 PM
Edited By: hondo on 17 Dec 2001 14:18
KCAS
I made a simple adapter out of copper tubing fittings to replace the KCAS can. The reed valves are still intact for one way flow. Just in case one of them should break I put a simple PCV valve in the tubing to the reed valves. Sucks all the time, the tubing "pulsates" at RPM'S over 4K. I didn't know if it would suck shut so I put a screen door return spring inside the tubing. Can't hurt, the negative crancase pressure will help the ring's seal.
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posted December 16, 2001 09:26 PM
Great idea, Hondo. Adding that to my list also.
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posted December 17, 2001 07:52 AM
Valid concept, but the vac is not enough to yield any measurable power gain. You need a fairly large pump to do that.
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posted December 17, 2001 07:57 AM
I found the same results at doug. Valid concept but nothing worth mentioning as far a hp gains. Would love to get my hands on a real pump and play with it though.
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posted December 17, 2001 09:21 AM
Edited By: Stentman on 17 Dec 2001 09:22
Here's what I did to remove the Kleen air system on my 12. (When I had it  )
http://www.printroom.com/EditAlbumPhoto.asp?userid=fgerardij&album_id=30554&image_id=11&view=actual
Hope this shows up. I'm still lurking from time to time fellas.
Take care,
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posted December 17, 2001 12:57 PM
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MO
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posted December 17, 2001 02:58 PM
how much vac do it take to make a difference?and if you had as much vac. as you wanted what HP gains would you see? if nothing else its better then hot air & oil in the intake.
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posted December 17, 2001 04:04 PM
here is a new product
http://www.fastbygast.com/newstuff.htm
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entropy
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posted December 18, 2001 01:16 AM
quote:
http://www.fastbygast.com/newstuff.htm
Bergie,
thanks for the tip on where to spend $240. just in time for christmas!
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entropy
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posted December 18, 2001 04:35 AM
FBG pump???
anyone know:
1. how many inches Hg it pulls?
2. how much it weighs?
3. how big it is?
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