posted October 07, 2003 02:02 AM
I think adding 2mm of stroke and 1mm of bore to the zx10r making it a 1200 would be a great idea.
They could offer the same bike in 1000 and 1200 cc.
The 1200 cc version could have an adj swingarm, say 0 to +5 or so and the airbox could have provisions for nitrous injectors.
I'd buy the 1200 version.
As far as putting a 12r engine in the 10's frame...? No doubt its possable but would it be any good? ???
I think cranking up the 10r's engine to match the hp of the 12r is an easyier route.
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posted October 07, 2003 05:24 AM
What about looking back at how Kawi offered the 750 turbo and how fast those bikes can be made to go! There are guys that can tweek them up to 200hp and they are bad-ass! Now just imagine if the same type of factory effort were offered in the 12 platform! maybe 200 -210 hp from the factory with guys like Horsepower Mike Chestnut tweeking them on up around 280 to 300 without to much trouble. I would like to see them go this route & offer the true meanest factory bike ever - sort of like Muzzy's Rapter project and I bet they would sell a boatload of them. No it wouldn't really be a canyon bike, just the baddest of the badboy streetbikes. Trust me Extreme, there is a market for this bike in the U.S.
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posted October 07, 2003 06:02 AM
There's just no way to get around the weight difference between a 10R and a 12R. Weight is the enemy. It slows you down when you don't want to, and keeps you from slowing down when you do. Makes the bike harder to turn as well! ____________
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posted October 07, 2003 02:15 PM
New is great but NOW is better!!!
How about just a new aftermarket case/crankshaft/rod/spacer combination. This seems to me to be an easy way to give us the NECESSARY room for addition CC's. We need a bigger stroke to start with...(how about 65mm just like a stroked busa) Keep the main journal sizes the same so the new case can still work with a 55.4mm crank. Change the oil pan design, and give us front motor mount adaptors to allow the motor to sit higher in the frame.
I think the new sales marketing point should focus on how "Quick" the bike can get from 40-183mph. Not the top speed, but how fast it can get to the top allowed speed. That would relate to all, because the zx11 and the zx12 can reach top speed faster than the suzuki's but no one talks about that. The blackbird never beat a zx11 to 170!!!
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quote:Is that all!!???......no more of you pukes have any more ideas or opinions???
...bored & stroked 10R w/a racekit availability?
Or, uh...if your gonna keep the ZX12R a "GT" (as in keep existing frame type & still heavy) but bring it back with "refinement." That is, why not make it 1400cc & not so rad a riding position? Numerous big bores are running fine all over the world right? ZZR replacement? Hmmm....
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posted October 09, 2003 06:15 PM
Whatever you do, leave some room for expansion for us engine builders......the same exact chasis that does not consider the needs of the street racer, so a zx12 motor does not change much. Please do not incoorperate the upper case and the piston cylinders...you completely make the bike a nitrous only bike at that time and suzuki wins again........ ____________
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posted October 09, 2003 06:23 PM
far as i'm concerned all bikes should come from teh factory with adjustable footpegs and maybe clipons too. i find it rather odd that they dont frankly. when's the last time u saw a car where the seat couldnt be adjusted? do u buy yer leathers in one size fits all? i sure dont. that should be an easy idea to sell to corporate. easy and cheap to do and you just KNOW the magazines would eat it up. all major manufacturers would be doing the same within a year cause they couldnt afford not too.
posted October 12, 2003 07:40 AM
Hey Extreme...We have alot to say to you!!!...Howabout telling us whats on your mind or what you know, without getting yourself Jammed up!!!
It seems to me your hinting at Kawasaki making a dual purpose liter bike!!!
I say Kawasaki should make a FACTORY purpose built 60" PSB DragRacer, by special order for $13,000.00 with factory support by the R&D dept...Hows that for dreaming???...Cant hurt to ask...
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posted January 14, 2004 06:41 PM
having not ridden the 10R I cant judge it's handling capabilities nor the characteristics of it's motor. I know the 12 inside and out. Let me sit on a 10 and ride it.. then I'll give you my 2$ werth... other than that I'd just be speculating.
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posted January 15, 2004 04:07 AM
The 12 doesn't handle as bad as some think. I turned fast enough laps to be in advanced class at track days. My biggest concern with the liter bikes is their acceleration over 150 mph. I could always pull away from the liter bikes at the faster tracks pretty easily. I want to get that top end pull of the 12 on my ZX-10 (if it's not there already). Unfortunately, I'm afraid the one piece cylinder/case might limit big bore possibilities. Like everyone else said, I gotta ride the 10 to see what's needed.
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posted January 15, 2004 05:39 AM
How about a 12 motor de-tuned & de-cammed in a new/refined Concorse (bout time it was updated...no?), ZZR1200, or maybe a new sport touring/touring bike?
I for one would like to see different graphics/bodywork on the ZZR & I would probably buy it, although owning a ZRX I like the ZZR's current engine (are you guys thinking of updating it?) Easy maintenance on a ZRX/ZZR engine, the ZX12R engine w/the shims under bucket would ruin that...Hmmm....
As others have mentioned, I think everyone is going to wait until the ZX10R is releases, & all the magazine tests are out....THEN folks will be more open to other new/updated models...the wait for the 10R has been far too long for many, so the skeptics are many...
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posted January 15, 2004 10:18 AM
So, XL, you want a daydreamer? Here goes: How about putting the ZX10R engine in a ZX7R frame? Then, we can lose some weight with a composite frame and tank, improve the suspension, add stronger breaks and give it a bit more updated style. How about that?
posted January 15, 2004 10:50 AM
I think the 12 is great for what it is. Big powerful brute. For drag racing & top end stuff, it's the shite. Street, well, it does well in most areas. For the twisties, it kinda sucks. She gets to wallowing & oscilating pretty good when you push her. She has a hard time keeping traction. And for track days it kinda sucks. Way too heavy and the brakes are gone in 2 laps.
For me, the 10 will have most everything the beloved 12 has, except for weight and brakes (actually lighter weight would make the brakes much better on the 12). So I will luv it in the twisties, as well as on track days. And when you pull the trigger on the straights, with the weight difference between the two, hopefully we'll get the same affect!
So why change the 12? It's kinda does everything well. So don't mess with it! The 10 is designed to be the ultimate "Sportbike". I'm not exactly sure how the 12 (and the Busa) should be catagorized.
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posted January 15, 2004 12:15 PM
hey K...how about super sport tourer....or GT Bike....the 12 and the 10 will not be even close in purpose. I ride too many miles to get rid of the 12....will keep it, and my little RR, and then see if Sherm will let me ride his at the gap and then see if I want to get rid of the RR for a 10R....we shall see.....
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