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posted September 22, 2003 07:23 PM
ZX10, Ninja in shadow, plan attack?
JMO - Noting that many important tech features are left off the website, as well as the brochure from the Dealer show, made me remember some similarities I've seen in the past on other revolutionary new release models.
Things like Rake/Trail, Compression ratio, Wheelbase
Seat Height, Fuel Capacity, and of course Dry Weight, make me believe this is a bike still in a development transition. Which I think is a smart move on their part (if true).
Yamaha has released enough info on the R1 to get everyone's attention. 180 hp, bla, bla, bla. Kinda like, they've thrown down the challange. Did they speak to soon? Maybe...
Let's say the Kawasaki does similar to Honda (in the past), and doesn't release their bike until just before Daytona, or maybe in super limited numbers to make the homologation to race. So instead of rushing the fine tuning, they could buy some time to make changes to the above mentioned missing specs and make it better. It would definetly be a smart move. Especially if they could compare some pre-production models like they have, to an '04 R1 and possible the new Honda. I would assume they compared in many phases to the Suzuki.
Anyway, just thoughts and I would not be surprised to see it happen. Just way to many specs left out. Though it doesn't really matter to me, I'm just going to wait it out. If I'm right, kudos to the big K (not me, Kawasaki).
Oh by the way, how about that dry weight figure on the new ZX12. Anyone seen a 12 weigh-in at 463 lbs? Could you even get one to weigh 500 lbs dry (stock). Even without any fluids at all (even the forks/shocks/brake fluid dry) and removing the battery, cables, tool kit, etc? I admit that I wasn't really too concerned when I bought my '03 with the weight, I thought it would be lighter... But after taking a ton of stuff off, and installing a Muzzy S.S. with carbon/ti Jardine muffler, removing mirrors, signals, passenger pegs, etc, reading it for a track day, it still weighed 530 lbs with some gas. Man, where do these weight claims come from?
   
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posted September 22, 2003 07:42 PM
oddly, my 12 (when it was in one piece) only weighed 518lbs with close to a full tank of gas. the onyl things removed at the time may have been the mirrors and kleen air valve. stock exhaust too. i questioned the validity of the measurement but was assured that it was done on a veyr accurate shipping scale. yet i'v heard so many people talk about thier bikes being 540 or 550lbs wet. i dont understand the descrepencies.
as to the dry weight... give 518lbs on a full tank, i imagine 463 would be about right in that case, assuming all gas, oil, water, other fluids, and battery were removed.
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posted September 22, 2003 07:45 PM
DOOBY DOOBY DOO....
SSHHHHHHHHHH
I'm singing
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posted September 22, 2003 07:47 PM
ee's a mean bastich, ain he? 
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posted September 22, 2003 07:49 PM
That is odd. I did mine a full size shipping scale also that was certified the day before. Mine had almost everything you could take off and/or replace with something lighter. I won't mention all the little stuff that may swing it a few pounds either way. So stock, yea, I was probably in that 550 lbs wet range (at least). Go figure.....
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posted September 22, 2003 09:40 PM
Hey frEEk, the only reason that your bike was so light on the scale was because it :
1. You forgot to put the oil in after draining the old oil and changing the filter.
2. The cooling system was dry, lost the cap "somewhere".
3. The stock tires where showing cord on at least 50% of the circumference.
Otherwise most 12's weight around 545 lbs.
And ya probably saved 10 lbs taking those mirrors off!
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frEEk
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posted September 23, 2003 12:20 AM
1. at least i know enough to change my own oil ya priness
2. u may lose parts too if u rode that thing any faster than my niece on her tricycle
3. see #2
u'r prolyl right about the mirrors tho. but it was so hard to get the legs aroudn those huge things 
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posted September 23, 2003 05:58 AM
the weight kawasaki gives is for a photo of the bike not the bike itself 
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posted September 23, 2003 06:45 AM
quote:
the weight kawasaki gives is for a photo of the bike not the bike itself
Good one......
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posted September 23, 2003 07:13 AM
That was fun!!
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posted September 23, 2003 01:49 PM
k bryant, i agree the dry weight is such a useless number. Just like crank HP.
You cant ride the bike with the front sprocket digging in the road and no coolant, oil etc in the engine.
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posted September 23, 2003 03:08 PM
The numbers Zhooligan and I posted regarding stock and 'modified' wet weight were taken on a certified scale, and closely match Mattie K's and K Bryant's weights.
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posted September 23, 2003 05:00 PM
 Edited By: GOZR on 23 Sep 2003 18:01
From
http://www.sportbikes.com/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=rant&Number=542078&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=2&fpart=4&vc=1
Looks good
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posted September 23, 2003 06:11 PM
What you REALLY mean is....
quote:
DOOBY DOOBY DOO....
SSHHHHHHHHHH
I'm singing
I think that might be a sign that EL is rather happy, eh?
Or perhaps a random post with meaningless rants to give Red Elk and the like fodder for endless debates, long winded diatribes, and language deconstruction arguments.
Or not.
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posted September 23, 2003 06:27 PM
I would edit your post, but I think you were trying to say:
Or perhaps a random post to give Red Elk and the like fodder for meaningless rants and long winded, equally meaningless diatribes.
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posted September 23, 2003 06:31 PM
Nah. That's not what I was trying to say. But I'll accept it.
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posted October 03, 2003 04:49 PM
Or maby ExL knows that the thread was a bit of a blah blah thread, and he knows something he didn't want to share!
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posted October 03, 2003 05:01 PM
He doesn't want to share ANYTHING with us!! You'd think that he would at least p.m. those of us that have bled green for 30 years 
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posted October 03, 2003 06:10 PM
I WANT TO SHARE!!!!!.......but I cant.
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posted October 03, 2003 06:14 PM
Yes you can. You could easily PM the story to each of us. Or, you could PM me your phone number. I'll give you a call, and you can tell me the story. That way there will be no proof that you spilled the beans.
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extremelean
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posted October 03, 2003 06:17 PM
well.....the people that work here and are reading this probably wouldnt let me keep my job if I told someone.....IF you know what I mean.
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posted October 03, 2003 08:49 PM
oh come now extreemlean, we all know kawasaki corp is just a front to what is really ur private motorcycle manufacturing company. 'fess up give me a new 10r or i'll tell people about how u are mcdonalds too, then u'll be in fer a lynching. oops, too late :o
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posted October 04, 2003 05:24 PM
Listen, we won't tell Hoover!! Besides, it's all hearsay till it's printed on paper. Ya know all the BS if it's not in the magazines it'n not true!
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posted October 04, 2003 07:36 PM
Do I look stupid or something??
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posted October 04, 2003 07:40 PM
If he does......I think I know who he is
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