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posted July 17, 2003 09:32 AM
MY damn CLUTCH PULLER BROKE!
at least, that's what I think it is.
The cable is fine, the lever is pulling the arm on the clutch cover, but there is not much resistance at all.
What I need to know is, Should I buy a 2002 or 2003 replacement?? Are they better than my 2000 model??
I'll pull the cover off tonight and verify the damage.
Odd thing was that it happened as I was coasting down from a 160-170mph blast and somewhere around 130-ish I pulled in the clutch and was about to reel in some front brake when it went 'snap'.
If anyone can tell me if there a better puller than the stock 2000 model, I'd appreciate it.
ps. tranny is working good. 
  
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posted July 17, 2003 09:38 AM
did the puller break (vertical part) or did the nub on the shaft break (spinning part in the clutch).
Doug posted something about this a few days ago...basically sayin if you break that part...you didnt put it together right...DUMAS!!! 
Sucks man...im sorry to hear that.
Someone DID mention the 2001 puller does not taper down from thick to thinner like the 00 does.
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posted July 17, 2003 09:39 AM
Here you go
http://www.zx12rzone.com/board/viewthread.php?FID=1&TID=8039&set_time=
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posted July 17, 2003 09:59 AM
 Edited By: BA on 17 Jul 2003 11:00
my bad verbage player, I fully believe it's going to be that nubby POS that broke on me.
(that short horizontal one, not the vertical one.)
 do you have ANY idea how many times I've put that whole shit-pot together?? geez....... maybe I am a dumass.
do people who are dumbasses KNOW they're dumbasses???????
It's been running good for about 200 miles since I put it back together, but this was the first time I had really flogged it.
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posted July 17, 2003 10:04 AM
bahahaha...its cool man...happens to more than just you...although mine was caused by mechanical failure and not me doin it wrong (or at least thats what I tell myself)
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posted July 17, 2003 10:09 AM
Edited By: BA on 17 Jul 2003 13:49
ooboy.
Per Doug's post in the thread-link you put up:
"This breakage is more common with the lockup due to the increased load on the pin when guys pull the clutch in against the centrifugal weights at high wheel speed."
Uhhh, isn't that what I just said I did? pulled in clutch at high wheel speed. fookin' idiot!!!!!!!!!!! (yeah, ME, not Doug!)
DOUG, if you check this thread, I'm curious if a HIGHER SPRING pressure might also lead to this..........when combined with my antics mentioned above.
I do not have a lockup, just the stocker with a muzzy basket and 2.0 plates. bike has 12k miles and I've had that clutch cover off at least 20 times. THIS time though, I had super stiff springs in it.
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posted July 17, 2003 10:55 AM
I pull in the clutch at uberhigh speed all the time too..its how I generally shutdown after a race :/
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posted July 17, 2003 11:44 AM
good point, ditto me at the dragstrip, but then I'm "only" at 150......
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posted July 17, 2003 12:46 PM
They break or better yet just wear throught the arm........metal on metal. Just double check that the puller can slide or spin easily in the hub. Mine seized and became a grinder!!!
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posted July 17, 2003 12:57 PM
well thats what I thought..however according to doug...that inner shaft shouldnt spin. (hence the use of that bearing race kinda dillyo)
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posted July 17, 2003 01:21 PM
quote:
Here you go
http://www.zx12rzone.com/board/viewthread.php?FID=1&TID=8039&set_time=
I tried cut / copy & paste and no help. Now the to see if that works!
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posted July 17, 2003 02:01 PM
quote:
that bearing race kinda dillyo)
You sure you're not from Texas, YCIS? LOL
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posted July 17, 2003 03:09 PM
Doug is talking about the lockup. Just pulling in the clutch at hi speed with a regular clutch shouldn't bother anything that I can think of???
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posted July 17, 2003 03:18 PM
True,
I am talking about the lockup because of the centrifugal weights and the load they add to the puller, but heavy springs kind of do the same thing. The bearing in question, (bearing race kinda dillyo, I believe it is called) is the same part on a stock clutch and the lockup. Most everything I said on that post and others hold true. regardless of lockup or not.... Remember when you pull in the clutch, the hub is "attached" to the output shaft and is spinning around the puller pin at the same rpm as the output shaft. That speed is higher in the higher gears.
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posted July 17, 2003 04:15 PM
John's broke TWICE in a row...I only replaced the puller when it broke and it lasted a total of TWO RUNS (no lock-up)...
THEN...I replace BOTH PARTS because the "clutch release, complete" (verticle part) was worn...
The new parts have been in there for a LONG time with NO trouble...that is until John turned his clutch cover into a "cut away cover"...I'm talkin...you can see the entire rod from top-to-bottom without taking the cover off now 
YES...the stiffer springs will for sure put MORE stress on those parts...
Why such stiff springs???
6-ZX6 springs work GREAT for us...clutch plates still last John almost a full season (10-months in florida ) we usually have to put new plates in it just in time for the World Finals
I am sending his NEW Clutch Cover, Pressure Plate, Release Thingy to MTC Monday for a 2-stage Lock-up
Long story long-er...I would suggest replaceing BOTH PARTS...if the verticle part show ANY wear at all...
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posted July 17, 2003 04:33 PM
I shouldn't say this but I am still using my original clutch arm and puller.I've been lucky I guess. The damn thing will probably break next time I ride it for saying that (that's ok I've got spares!).
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posted July 17, 2003 05:11 PM
HAHA....I didnt want to be overly technical with yall sumbitches  
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posted July 17, 2003 08:00 PM
Edited By: BA on 17 Jul 2003 21:04
WOW!
Looks like it wasn't the little nubby bastard after all!! Looks all to hell like I assembled it wrong!!! What a bunch of fuckin' shit! 20+ re-assemblies and I eventually DO screw up. Man, that sucks.
new shaft and puller pin both on order. Went for new clutch plates too, figured, what the hell, right?
This is the only pic that I have time for at the moment.
Oh, disregard the shiny surface, I had to DREMEL the damn thing to get the metal burrs off just to get it out of the damn clutch cover!!!
YCIS, please just don't start talking like our Prez. ok? It kills me everytime he says "turrorsts".......
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posted July 17, 2003 08:24 PM
hahahah......nucular
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posted July 17, 2003 11:36 PM
I've got an extra of both out in the shop. I always take them with me to the strip. Don't think I'll ever break one of them, but you never know.....
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posted July 18, 2003 06:08 AM
Edited By: EastBayDave on 18 Jul 2003 07:12
As some of you already know, I'm in the middle of Muzzys basket/clutch replacement right now on my 00.' My arm looks spotless (mostly twistie riding), but hearing all this stuff makes me want to replace it anyway w/the newer one.
Should I? (I know it's mostly installation mistakes Doug...)
Oh, I'm having trouble finding a 30mm deep impact socket. I've been to every hardware/auto parts place in the surrounding area. Sears, Lowes, Home Depot, Ace, Napa, etc., etc., etc.
Anyone in the SF Bay Area got one?
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posted July 18, 2003 06:58 AM
ebay! (tis where I got mine)
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posted July 18, 2003 07:45 AM
I think 30 MM corresponds to a standard size. Check that out.
You don't need to replace your puller pin or arm. Your clutch is installed correctly, so why bother!?!
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posted July 18, 2003 10:07 AM
well Kawachan, he's got his shit all apart, so it's an "opportunity" to replace one of these items if a new model's part number is better. ie. the non-necked down shaft through the clutch cover.
I think my cost was something like $35 for that arm, and $25 for the puller pin nubby bastard. (before any discounting)
all I'm going to say is that if you've got a little extra $$$, it's always good to have a spare around.
Wish my picture would have turned out better. Needs more light.
Maybe I'll work on that tonight. The camera doesn't take real good close up's though. (2MB vid-cam)
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posted July 18, 2003 12:02 PM
Thanks for the advice guys...
What do you all think of just "polishing" the existing ones? I'll charge up me FD-85 camera & show ya a pic of mine in the next couple days....
(hmmm...that came out uh...weird?)
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