wilson1
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posted July 14, 2003 04:15 AM
first attempt to ride my 12 failed
the first attempt to ride my 12 failed i couldent straighten the bike with my left leg i have to think of a way i can right the bike off the side stand bike is a little high and i cant push off with my left leg maybe i can use a crutch i will figuer it out
  
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VincentHill
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posted July 14, 2003 04:43 AM
Wilson, A mistake BMW Made was not to flip their flat 3 & $ over so that the spark plugs / Head was on the right side! This caused the oil to seap into the cylinders mad make the bike smoke when stated. The second mistake was not to admit this mistake and move the side stand over to the right side!
Take your bike somewhere and have a 1/4 inch thich piece of hard aluminum welded to the right side of your bike and using a Spencer adjustable stand, mount it! The reason for the Spencer stand is so you can adjust the height of the bike / angle! You may want to get his stand to begin with to change the "Lean Angle" of the bike closer to verticle! Be careful so that a little wind will not knock it over!
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EastBayDave
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posted July 14, 2003 05:18 AM
Wow; I swear Vince is one of them guys from inventors hotline! 
I'll ask around Wilson; there's a guy here that races sportbikes & he has a prostetic on his left leg. I'll see if I can find him to see how he does it; may take awhile but I'll try. No worries man, we will figure it out! 
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Ed_00_12R
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posted July 14, 2003 06:25 AM
 Edited By: Ed_00_12R on 14 Jul 2003 07:25
I saw an article on it once. They basically mounted "Outriggers" on each side of the bike with small wheels on the ends of each (think a U shaped device with wheels on the ends of the U acting as a "training wheel" of sorts" ). An electric motor system was devised to retract the outriggers once under way, and to deploy it ahen coming to a stop. Good luck!
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vozizm
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posted July 14, 2003 07:00 AM
I remember that on the graphicartmotodesign.com sit they had a chap who lost movement of legs and a set up similar to the one mentioned above
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wilson1
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posted July 14, 2003 07:22 AM
thanx
thanx guys for the responce i think i can figuer out how to get the bike verticle i have electric shifter on it and i can shift and ride i will keep you posted
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VincentHill
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posted July 14, 2003 07:43 AM
Wilson, It will not be for us not "Willing" you to ride that bike! I would also consider adding a thumb rear brake. Yes I know that you have use of your right leg, but there may come a time when you need the rear brake and your right leg on the ground at the same time!
I would also consider getting some type of "Case" Guard, not for the case, but to keep the bike off of your expensive leg in-case you fall over to the left your lef will not be pinned! WOW, there is a lot of stuff to think about, this is like Chest, think 3 moves ahead!
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ScaredyCat
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posted July 14, 2003 08:08 AM
Wilson,
I don't know you, but from what I've seen here, you're a real guy.
My suggestion might be garbage, but I thought that some of these goldwing type winnebagos use a hydraulic centrestand? Might be able to operate something like that from a switch?
Just a thought.
Vincent, how often do YOU need to use the rear brake and have your right foot on the floor? Don't understand that one.....?
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ra12r
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posted July 14, 2003 10:55 AM
Buy some dogs bones and lower the bike and keep the kick stand the same. That will change all the dynamics in favor of your leg.
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ynot
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posted July 14, 2003 11:08 AM
Is there a way you can hook up a pneumatic shock to the stand and to a switch so you can use compressed air to open and close it (raise and lower the stand). Use a small CO2 cartridge so it doesn't take up too much space or maybe a nos bottle under the seat? And wouldn't you want to leave the stand on the left side instead of the right.. If it starts to tip you would want it to tip to the side of your stronger leg until you get it all worked out...
Just tryin to help
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ynot
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posted July 14, 2003 11:15 AM
Edited By: ynot on 14 Jul 2003 12:17
Wilson I did a search for a Pneumatic stand and this is what came up.. Maybe you could contact them somehow for tips???
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VincentHill
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posted July 14, 2003 11:38 AM
Scardy cat, I can see that you are looking for a weakness in my game, there is not many places I have a weak game! If you realize that he had no left leg strength and think of the times YOU come to a stop and use the rear brake and put your LEFT leg down, now cut off your left leg!! Now you are in a position where you either must use the rear brake and not put "Any" Leg down or use a thumb rear brake and put ((Guess What) your RIGHT LEG DOWN! This is the position Wilson finds himself in, because if he comes to a stop with his right leg on the rear brake and puts only his left leg down, he will fall off (Right now).
For the question you are dying to ask, "Why does he need to use the rear brake when he has front brakes"?? I am so gald you asked! When you come to a slippery road, oil in the center of the lane, just rained on a oily road, a bus drops diesel on the road, and you use your front brake only, the front end will slide out to the left or right and you fall down! Use the rear brake and the back end fish tails, but you do not fall and you come to a stop! Thanks for asking that question.
Incase you have not figured it out, Wilson lost his left leg in a accident and has a prosthetic left leg. That is why he has no strength in his left leg and must use his right even if he needs to use the rear brake!
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ScaredyCat
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posted July 14, 2003 12:52 PM
Not trying to start an argument, and maybe Wilson would be the one to tell us the best way to deal with it, but I would hsve thought that by the time you came to a stop you don't need the rear brake. Might be "nice to have" is all.
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VincentHill
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posted July 14, 2003 01:13 PM
OK, You just need to ride more in less than perfect conditions (In a large nasty City, Less than perfect weather. You have never stopped on a hill (Up or down? with the rear brake only on?) Ever need to make a tight turn and control it with the rear brake? Take off going up a steep hilland as you are letting out the clutch, giving it gas and letting off of the rear brake all at one time? It is the situation that you are "NOT" Prepared for that will always get you. In Wilson's case, he does not need or want any more "Experience"! Snatching on the front brake can cause you to lose control that you usually do not lose using the rear.
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ynot
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posted July 14, 2003 04:17 PM
Vince..... You got game!
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posted July 14, 2003 04:33 PM
i know this would be way weird, but how hard would it be to switch the sidestand to the right side?
sometimes simple is better. just a thought
 
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VincentHill
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posted July 15, 2003 06:45 AM
It is a welded on 1/4" piece of hard aluminum. Needs to be sawed off and welded USD on the other side. A larger tang may need to be welded on the stand itself to make sure you do not get your foot on the muffler.
Thinking a little more about this, Wilson will be mounting the bike from the right side anyway because he must stand on his right leg and throw his left over the bike. (Right good Ole Mr. Wilson?? "per Dennis the Menance)
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posted July 15, 2003 01:07 PM
hrmmm
if that is the case, a right-side mounted stand might just be what the Dr. ordered
would make off-side mounting a lot easier
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posted July 15, 2003 03:41 PM
What would be cool is one of those electric powered actuators that they use to lift trunk lids on custom cars and such(they use them all the time on Monster Garage) and replace the side stand with one of those. That would allow the bike to sit normally on the side and when he got on the bike, he presses a button and it jacks up the bike. If he can't flip it up with his foot use a smaller one to flip it up and down. Then once at a stop flip it down and retract it to lean it over. Just a suggestion.
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VincentHill
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posted July 15, 2003 06:50 PM
The key here is that a bike leaned over to the right would be easier to mount from the right side than if it was leaning over to the left. Then the Hydrulic raise and lower stand and he is in business. Also good about Ted's plan is how do you get the stand down when you come to a stop while on the bike.
If the stand is on the left, hard to use even with a perfect leg while on the bike
If the stand was on the right, how do you get it down when you cannot stand on the left lef to use the right leg?
I wonder is "Good Ole Mr. WIlson can answer these questions??
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ynot
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posted July 16, 2003 07:34 AM
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If the stand was on the right, how do you get it down when you cannot stand on the left leg to use the right leg?
That was my thought exactly.. That is why i was thinking he should leave it on the left side because once he can apply the pressure to lift it up (like you said a few steps ahead) he would want the kickstand on the weaker side just in case the bike tips... If it tips to the right he has his good leg to support it and if it tips to the left he has his other leg as well as the stand to keep it from falling over.
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VincentHill
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posted July 16, 2003 07:57 AM
You have said a mouth full! Stupid me, I had my wife standing on the stand side of the bike when I was putting it on the shop stand and it slipped off and high sided her over the bike and she got 3 stitches! If she had been on the right side, she could have handled it and the side stand would have helped in the left!
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ynot
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posted July 16, 2003 10:27 AM
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You have said a mouth full!
Sorry Im working on this dumbass spreadsheet at work no time for grammer lol. Ill try harder next time!!
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VincentHill
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posted July 16, 2003 11:54 AM
What Grammer problems! The (i) wow how terrible I meant that you used a few words to the a lot of points across! Look good to me!!
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posted July 17, 2003 12:49 PM
You'll ride that 12 wilson. That I'm sure of. You are a very determined man.Good luck on working out the problem.
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