steell
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posted July 28, 2013 05:24 PM
Good thing you didn't read it, it was probably over your head anyway.
You know, about that respect thing, it goes both ways, and I never start any shit, I usually end it though.
I'm 62 years old, and have been a gearhead and nerd combination my entire life, in addition to being a professional mechanic for a long time, and I find it humorous when some doofus that is obviously a legend in his own mind decides to attack me and say I don't know what I'm talking about, while just as obviously not having a clue himself.
Calling an update ECU provided to those that complain about higher altitude problems a "High Altitude ECU" is just like calling things made from aluminum alloys as being made from "Billet", both are popular but wrong.
  
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blitzkrieg
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posted July 28, 2013 06:29 PM
That is what Kawasaki called it. That is what the Kawasaki dealers called it.
You are a stubborn old fucker aren't you?
Tell you what Mr. Kawasaki - pull your 62 year old dick out of your hand and go Google "high altitude ecu zx-12r".
You don't know everything and you are making yourself look stupid right now.
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steell
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posted July 29, 2013 11:40 AM
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That is what Kawasaki called it. That is what the Kawasaki dealers called it.
You are a stubborn old fucker aren't you?
Tell you what Mr. Kawasaki - pull your 62 year old dick out of your hand and go Google "high altitude ecu zx-12r".
You don't know everything and you are making yourself look stupid right now.
If you don't understand what I said, how am I the stupid one?
Someone posted a part number claiming it was for the high altitude cpu, but Kawasaki says that part number does not exist, it don't say "Canceled" is says the number does not exist.
So I searched Google for that exact phrase, and all I found was a few people claiming that their bike was equipped with a high altitude ecu.
So, because maybe 20 - 30 people on this board and a few others claim that an updated, fixed, ecu is called a "High Altitude ECU", with no cites, and absolutely no evidence, and I don't kiss your ass and call you master, I'm the one that's stupid?
Try reading this with an open mind.
Does any 2001-2005 ZX12R need a special ECU to operate correctly in Denver? Does any bike with an ECU require a special ECU to operate correctly in Denver? Really, using the logic posted here the 2001 ZX12R A2 ECU should be called a "High Altitude ECU" as well, as should all the later models, since they can operate correctly at Denver altitudes.
So what we have here is a manufacturer making a mistake by not allowing for low enough barometric values in an ECU fuel table, and instead of having a recall they only issue a fix by replacing the malfunctioning ECU with a correctly functioning ECU to those that complained, instead of having an extremely expensive recall. Nothing unusual there.
But then a cult formed around this "High Altitude ECU", and the great mysteries surrounding it's use and functions.
I find it plausible that Kawasaki called it a "High Altitude ECU", as marketing speak, because they sure as hell were not going to admit they screwed up the original ECU by calling it a "fixed ECU", cause then they would have had to replace all of them.
But calling a pigs ear a Rose, doesn't make it so.
And yes, I am a stubborn old fucker, and that's not news, everyone knows that.
It's real simple, define the phrase "High Altitude ECU" in technical terms, not marketing speak. Tell me exactly how it differs from an 02 ZX12R ECU, and why I can't get one for a 02 ZX12R.
Not that anyone cares, but if you read all my posts here you will not find me stating that Kawasaki did not offer an updated ECU to correct their mistake, only that there is no such thing as a "High Altitude ECU".
Is this where I'm supposed to start calling you names and dissing you by claiming you lack intelligence? If that's the accepted method of replying to people that disagree with you on Bikeland, then I need some guidance as it;s outside my normal operating zone.
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tuusinii
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posted July 29, 2013 09:41 PM
If Kawasaki called it High Altitude ECU and it fixed bike running at high altitude how can you say it's not high altitude ECU? If I buy Coke I ask for Coke and not "Carbonated water, sugar, colour (caramel E150d), phosphoric acid, natural flavourings (including caffeine)." what it really is! Of course technically it's just an ECU with different maps in the EEPROM - nothing more.
Don't bother about the much of this thread but the original question in this thread was if such a ECU existed and the answer is yes contrary what the couple of the first replys said. And there really is problem with '00 ZX12 to run at high altitude that this ECU fixes.
And why later ones don't have one is they don't need it. Of course KHI put the updated maps to the later ECU's - why make the same mistakes again. But because of 186MPH limit that was introduces in '01 the ECU connections (and also functions) are different and you can't use ECU from a even '01 ZX12 in a '00 ZX12. And because the ZX12 ECU isin't reprogrammable without cutting the only option was to issue a new ECU.
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tuusinii
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posted July 29, 2013 09:54 PM
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Someone posted a part number claiming it was for the high altitude cpu, but Kawasaki says that part number does not exist, it don't say "Canceled" is says the number does not exist.
You didn't find the part number because you (probably) looked from a US site. But if you for example look for European of Japanese part numbers KHI recons it a " CONTROL UNIT-ELECTRONIC" for '00 ZX12
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Gunner
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posted July 30, 2013 12:12 AM
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If Kawasaki called it High Altitude ECU and it fixed bike running at high altitude how can you say it's not high altitude ECU? .
Because people like this will stop at nothing to not be proven wrong. Clearly he knows NOTHING about the 12R or it's history. He's someone that arrived late and thinks he knows what the rest of us that's been here for years know about the 12R. He hasn't got a clue how different his 02 model is from the original A models ( and the 2000 is even different from the 2001) that Kawasaki poured more money into producing than anything ever before. I'm willing to bet he's also never heard of the Silver book and if he has heard of it he's wondering why he didn't get one with his 02 model POS neutered 12R. And since he didn't get one they simply don't exist I sure in his mind. He could look dead at a Silver book and argue it's not a Silver book at all it's just a book full of facts about a motorcycle what makes it a silver book,.( I think I still have 4 or 5 of them around here still in the original sealed boxes Kawasaki supplied them in but I wouldn't send him one for all the tea in China. Someone forgot to clue this person into the fact that when someone or a company invents something THEY CAN CALL IT WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE! and idiots that come along years later can't just decide to rename it and it's so. ... I seen him drooling over the joke resident joke turbo guru's latest video where he's impressed himself with fuel burning in the exhaust pipe while on the two step...... RESULTS DOWN THE TRACK ARE WHAT'S IMPRESSIVE unless of course sitting around the garage making video's of snap, crackle, pop are the new in thing! But this guy is impressed and even wants to know if it's sequential FI he's a regular FI guru! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!! Steell if you knew 1/4 of what you think you know you would be brilliant but so far you are batting a big FAT "0" on the ol knowledge scale..... Wrong information applied to the wrong application resulting in you being lost at 60 ? whatever years old..... Geritol for you old man and leave the motorcycles to people that know what's going on thus far you are wrong about everything and I don't see anyone backing up any of your babble.... Also a retired part number is a very common thing with all OEM's Kawasaki is no exception. There's plenty of old part numbers that no longer exist but you would know that wouldn't you?
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blitzkrieg
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posted July 30, 2013 03:00 PM
This is going back so far on a 13 year old bike I had to go back through my notes, emails and posts I have long forgotten.
So... I went out and pulled the ECU on my original '00 A-1 (that I have owned since it was brand spanking new) to refresh my memory.
And refresh I did.
There is a little silver and green model number sticker on the ECU right below the Denso sticker.
Back in the day, we compared that model number to Vinnies A1, Outsiders A1, ErgoKinetics A1 and mine.
All the others listed above had the same model #. Mine (the only high altitude bike) was the odd one out. Why? Hmmm why.
Steell - you are arguing something we beat until dead 11 years ago.
I cannot offer you any more proof than the different model # sticker, what the dealer told me and what numerous other original A1 owners were told. I cannot tell you WHAT they did to the replacement ECU. That info seems to be a dark secret buried in Kawasaki's vault.
If you think this is all a bunch of bullshit propagated by a group of people to start an urban legend I cannot help you.
And yes, I think you are a stubborn old basterd who is closed to at least hearing what people who may know a thing or two are saying. I've said all I have to here. Believe it, don't believe it - doesn't matter to me.
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