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posted March 30, 2003 03:04 PM
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Help/Info needed asap with clutch
Howdy.... so I am about to install my Muzzy clutch (stock basket) on my 00 12... I have pulled the old clutch (which is totally cooked).... my concern is this.
Upon examination of the stock basket, there appear to be "divots" worn into it from the fibers (where they would travel) this is the same for the drum, however since the drum is being replaced.. that is not a concern.... here are some fotos....
can someone who HAS experience with this tell me if this is "normal" wear and if it will effect the operation of the new clutch, or should I stop now as the basket is fucked as well?
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posted March 30, 2003 03:26 PM
wow,you abusive sob!
Fish,you should call me because i have a new billet basket for sale==no wait
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posted March 30, 2003 03:40 PM
Damn Fish..... I had no idea you were a "stunta"...lol
Some advice...let the clutch go..dont hold onto it like its the past man...hehe.
Im suprised the fingers didnt break. Looks like they were under some pressure there!
See if the fibers bind on the divots. Otherwise, get that basket from Cowboy! (2birds, 1stone) 
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posted March 30, 2003 03:52 PM
dude that looks fine, but it would be good to invest in the basket also!
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posted March 30, 2003 03:52 PM
Fish-ster, I have a post about this in the past months and got some very good advice from a well known racer.
In the pictures, I can see the 'spots' on the basket that you are referring to, but I cannot tell if they are really "divots" or not. I'm basically gonna take you at the description of calling it a divot!@
If you can FEEL the indentations, that that thing is bad. Throw it away. It would only get worse anyway.
The result is that it interferes with the free movement of the clutch plates and that makes the clutch feel "not smooth" during engagement.
You be the judge, if you can feel the indentations, it's probably best to buy the billet one from Cowboy.
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posted March 30, 2003 03:54 PM
It feels like "cordoroy" (sp?) ... same fer the the drum....
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posted March 30, 2003 03:56 PM
like an old Iraqi solder, your clutch basket/hub's time has come........
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posted March 30, 2003 04:20 PM
so what yer saying is that it's broken, eh?  ... anyways.. .what interests me is WHY this is so trashed... Cowboy suggested that it is/was incorrect stack height... I wonder why it is soooo trashed... normal riding (really) ... very strange indeed.
Would you consider that basket to be a "wear item"? I think not.... hmmm
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posted March 30, 2003 04:24 PM
Usually see this in drag race situations and pretty common 125 motocross bikes! The wear is not what I would consider normal wear.
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posted March 30, 2003 04:53 PM
hrmm my little 600 has the same divots in it, the thing IS aluminum after all.....
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consider the amount of force and the small area it is trasnmitted across...
fishy: how many miles on it?
  
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posted March 30, 2003 05:01 PM
20k kilometers (aprox 12k miles) but failure started at 6k miles and also at 1200miles... this is an ongoing saga... methinks perhaps the basket or the drum or both were fucked from the start, hence the failures?
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posted March 30, 2003 08:39 PM
maybe I am not seeing what you guy's are but it looks fine to me. I know the shiny spots are wear but looks like very normal wear and tear to me? but that is just my opinion...
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posted March 30, 2003 08:41 PM
Hey how the hell did you do that. post so our post goes on both threads. that is cool as shit!
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posted March 30, 2003 08:55 PM
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posted March 30, 2003 09:32 PM
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Okay, I have seen literally hundreds of clutches in my day, over 10 years as a bike mechanic. Not to worry, that is perfectly normal. The fibers hit one side when you accelerate and the other when you decelerate. I have seen them dug in so far it would amaze you and the clutch worked just fine. Yours look good. Actually the aluminum work hardens a bit and the digging in slows dramatically, a new basket would do the exact same thing.
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posted March 30, 2003 10:02 PM
Ted,
Are you saying that the pitting in the basket doesn't affect the clutch action, but it doesn with pitting in the hup?
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posted March 31, 2003 04:10 AM
Agree with Ted and Mike...it's normal.
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posted March 31, 2003 08:05 AM
Fish, I do not want you to feel left out on "My" Advice All those notches are is where the friction plate tangs hammered the basket during the start. You would really need to be a sissyn not to have them! Because of how poor I am and was, "Back in the day", I filed them just to make sure that my clutch released and felt that since the aluminum had now been compressed that it would be harder to make new notches in the future!
If you are serious, then get the Billet basket, just to make sure that you do not break a finger!(on the basket)!
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posted March 31, 2003 08:09 AM
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If you are serious, then get the Billet basket, just to make sure that you do not break a finger!(on the basket)!
Yeah, and make sure that you install the oil gear in the back the right direction. Right, Vincent?
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posted March 31, 2003 08:37 AM
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Are you saying that the pitting in the basket doesn't affect the clutch action, but it doesn with pitting in the hup?
All of this pitting depends on how severe it is. The pitting in the hub is caused by metal plates and can be more pronounced. If the pitting is severe what happens is the plates find the centers of the pit under hard acceleration. Which can cause the plates to spread apart and slip. But this all depends on the spacing of the pit in relation to the spacing of the plates. Severe pitting can also cause the clutch to not disengage, the plates get caught in the pits and won't seperate. But mild pitting is no big deal. Also pitting and clutch plate edge wear contribute to drive train lash.
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posted March 31, 2003 09:00 AM
prob is the muzzy unit will have a diff stack height as doug pointed out.. .question is will the divots line up with the new config?
Ted... u are saying it's normal... ie: u think I shouldnt be looking fer the dealer to replace it?
why do I have this 4 year warranty?
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posted March 31, 2003 09:43 AM
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If you are serious, then get the Billet basket, just to make sure that you do not break a finger!(on the basket)!
Yeah, and make sure that you install the oil gear in the back the right direction. Right, Vincent?
That is why I made the statement! Every time I make a mistake like that I tell everyone! I hope not to take up too much Band width with my mistakes! If my embarassment can save someone elses, then good for me!
Fish, looking at that as warranty is like asking them to replace the brakes ot tires because they wore out!
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posted March 31, 2003 10:22 AM
Fish, like Vincent says, a dealer wouldn't warranty that ever. It is normal wear.
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posted March 31, 2003 01:44 PM
if you drive around with a passenger and constantly overrev and pop the clutch while riding around it will break the basket. Then warranty will pay for it. Easy as that
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posted March 31, 2003 01:49 PM
hrmm methinks would be better to not have grenaded aluminum bits floating about in the oil... just a personal aversion to that sort of thing....
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