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posted March 08, 2003 07:12 PM
brake pads
When I first put on a set of ebc pads ,they grabbed like a son of a bitch and now they feel no differant then the stock pads.I was wondering if maybe I didn't break them in properly and would you recommend lightly scuffing them up with sand paper? By the way I bought the sintered pads.Does anyone have a break-in routine for new pads?
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Zhooligan
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posted March 08, 2003 10:02 PM
I have found that the EBC pads need to seeded or broken in. I usually do this by taking the bike out for a few laps or miles where I can use lite and progressive braking and avoid hard or panic stops. This seems to get the best and longest use out of the EBC pads. That said I love their bite but they do have a tendency to wear quicker and do seem to lose their bite more so then most of the other pads out there.
I use the EBC's for racing because I usually have a case of two of them. And on occassion the same on my 12. But I have found my Performance Friction pads to not have the initial bite, but every bit as much stopping power, are predictable and more progressive. This lets me trail brake better with less initial nose dive. Comes down to individual styles.
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posted March 10, 2003 02:14 PM
Hooligan, I've been taking my little Gixxer 600 to the race track and I've been experiencing a good bit of brake fade (figure that).
I'm pretty smooth on the brakes and I do use a bit of trail braking.
Can you give me a primer on what's out there on brake pads? What's up with HH, Kevlar etc....
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posted March 10, 2003 05:42 PM
 Edited By: Zhooligan on 11 Mar 2003 21:15
The kevlar stuff works pretty well. the problem with some of the exotics are they have to be warmed up to work. So they can kill you if you forget that! Take the bike out for a ride run in a little hot into a corner pull the brake lever and nothing! Oh shit please warm up!!
Honestly I have found Performance Friction Race pads give you same feel and stopping power all the time. They don't have initial EBC bite but they stop and act the same all the time. I have also tried Brembos, galfers and ferodo with their various compounds. I personally like my Performance Frictions and the EBCs. Galfers theleast. The first question I would ask is are you runing the stock brake lines? Or have you put stainless steel braided lines on it. That makes a huge difference all by themselves.
Michael Barnes and Larry Pegram were essentially the fastest guys on the Formula USA circuit last year. Pretty much set track records everywhere they went. They ran stock factory pads all year. Replaced them as needed but ran stock pads on their 600s and 750s.
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posted March 10, 2003 07:46 PM
I've heard about the steel braided lines, but I assumed that was for feel and leverage. I didn't really think that addressed fading.
Yeah, I am putting a set on - but I thought that the newer pads would address the fade issue. But thinking about it, I've ridden a couple of bikes with SS lines and they bit really hard and braked well - but I wasn't at track speeds really tugging on them.
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posted March 10, 2003 07:57 PM
The very first thing done on most race bikes not ego driven!! And when the fluid gets hot the stainless lines will not change the rate of expansion. Where as your rubber lines will. Smaller diameter stainless lines will give you more initial bite as well but less progression. Galfer makes good lines at a reasonable cost as well as of course Goodrich. The kevlar lines work well also but I find myself worrying for some reason aboult the kevlar lines. Preferences!
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posted March 11, 2003 04:12 PM
Checking the Performance Friction website, I see just the one pad listed for the 12. These the ones you're using ZH? PN 7528.95.09.92 in 95 compound?
 
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posted March 11, 2003 06:39 PM
another thing that will kill your braking is water
i change my brake fluid out once or twice a season, the change is gradual, but after a fluid swap i can really tell the difference from old to new.
i think a lot of the improvement going to steel lines is the fluid as well.
i know they do help, but many times i have considered it and changed fluid and been happy again. and for street riding, it is questionable if you want the harsh bite the steel lines can give. in an emergent situation, (such as errant cage deciding to remove you from gene pool) a handful of brakes on oem lines has less chance of locking your wheel up as the same handful on steel-braided lines. you get a bit more leeway and tolerance for mistakes that way.
as to what zhooligan said: i have used SBS pads, and gone back to yammy OEM as well.
the SBS had incredible bite and feel, but they threw lots of dust and wore out quickly. the oem, once warm, are as good as the sbs, and consistant. i have 12000 miles on this set of pads, with no end in sight. and greenglenn can vouch for my braking abuse (he performed visual check on my headers in the gap last year while i was braking for a corner ;P ) the most i ever got out of the sbs pads was *maybe* 8 or 9k
regular maintenance can make a bike perform VERY nicely. a neglected machine will feel slow, weak, and spongy. keep it fresh and happy :-)
  
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posted March 11, 2003 09:15 PM
12R your question brings up a thought. My brake info for the 12 is shall we say tainted! I have Brembo Calipers and master cylinder on my 12. But I am running the RR 95 compound.
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