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posted February 20, 2003 10:38 PM
 Edited By: Zhooligan on 20 Feb 2003 22:40
Poll Question:
Homeland Security?
It's been almost 18 months since the 9/11 terroist attacks. Things have changed. What's your opinion, are we better off as a result of the whole Homeland Security thing.?
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Poll Results:
 4 votes (18%)
No, things are the same as before
2 votes (9%)
Yes, things are better, I feel safer and it's been worth it
3 votes (14%)
Yes, things are better but not worth losing the freedoms and rights taken from us
8 votes (36%)
We have opened pandoras box and enabled our government to take our rights away
5 votes (23%)
We should have left things alone and just inforced the laws that already existed
  
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posted February 20, 2003 10:47 PM
I beleive that we have given up our rights, and are headed down a path that is well intentioned but ultimately we will all regret. If you look at things closely, Osama and his crew of terroists changed the constitution of the United States of America. And changed the lives of every Citizen of the United States of America as well as the lives and laws in many other countries. We allowed this chickenshit gangster to change our lives. That pisses me off.
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posted February 21, 2003 04:09 AM
pandoras box, though it wasopening already, but it sped along things, allowing the administration to propose a billthat was voted on (and passed) sight unseen.
they are trying to do it again with patriot act 2
the contents are secret, as noone would consider voting for it if htey knew what it said
i just hope that congress learned from its first mistake and doesn't give in a second time.
as far as i am concerned, OBL won his cause.even dead, he has won. because like you said, he took a pot-shot at our constitution, and our freedom, and our people. and he scored a direct crippling blow.
and the sheeple are rolling over "oh gut me some more, freedom is not worth dying for"
that is the most frightening prospect for anyone with children, the prospect that the nanny state will have ever-increasing power. that the nanny state has the power to suspend your constitutional rights. Granted, some branches have done this already (BATF comes to mind) but on limited scale, and with possibility of repercussions. but now all the buzzwords that need spoken are 'homeland defense' 'terrorist' and 'Al Queida' and you are no longer constitutionally protected.
likewise, if we never rebuild the WTC, it will be another victory. we were slapped on our own turf, and took it and slinked off, and punished our own family. to what end? it won't end the resentment people have for the USA. envy runs deep. envy is POWERFUL motive
though with the recent legislation, they CAN say they are reducing the amount of envy americans have directed towards them, because every freedom, every right that is removed or revoked, is a win, and it makes us closer to what other countries already have, so the envy will drop off.
but what is freedom compared to world opinion? i mean it is nice to be free, but heck if a lot of people don't like our freedom, well we should just give it up then.
   
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posted February 21, 2003 06:10 PM
I shocked that everyone feels so safe and sound!
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posted February 21, 2003 07:10 PM
I think they've just made things worse for us.
Leave us alone.
Do some racial profiling at the the airports.
As far as that goes ,..do some racial profiling all over the place.
I'm not racist,....there's one group-o-people that are making things difficult...so check them out and leave us alone.
I don't feel any difference as far as feeling safe goes....I guess it helps to live in a tiny town.
I think the biggest mistake Geedub has made is adding to the federal employees list by hiring all those people to check yer' bags.(what's wrong with the way it was BEFORE???)
And last......Mount 50 calibers a half mile apart all the way around the borders,...take all the federal and state employees that don't do shit for a living,...and give them the job of securing the borders. Anyone gets through.....Yer' FIRED!! 
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posted February 21, 2003 07:18 PM
I go through airport security in different airports several times a week, there's a lot more, but I don't see it being any better. I think I know the system so well I could do bad things if I really wanted to do it. The thing that will keep the same thing from happening on a plane is the reality that is in people's heads that they can't sit in their seat and let someone take over a plane because it's not a game anymore.
As far as the rest of it, I think it's a good idea if it's use without abuse. I'm not counting on that, in fact I expect the new powers to be abused. I guess I agree with your first post ZH, time will tell if we're moving in the right direction.
Oh, I'm really tired of the PC world we live in, we need to look in the right places for things that will hurt us, when we don't it's hurting us in the long run.
You left off the response - No, we are worse off than before.
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posted February 21, 2003 07:18 PM
Damn Dino, you reading my mind ?
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posted February 21, 2003 10:53 PM
No, it's all I can do to read mine 
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posted February 21, 2003 11:20 PM
You might want to wear a lead line hat Dino. Your thought emission are efeecting my television reception. 
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posted February 24, 2003 05:49 AM
None of it has changed my life one iota. Never lost a minute of sleep worrying about terrorists. Don't care who wants to look in my luggage or empty my pockets. I still go to work, sleep and ride my ZX-12R. Pretty much plan to keep it that way. Frankly, the whole subject has long ago gotten quite boring out here in the sticks. Now if they would issue me a terrorist hunting permit, that might be different.
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posted February 24, 2003 06:33 AM
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None of it has changed my life one iota. Never lost a minute of sleep worrying about terrorists. Don't care who wants to look in my luggage or empty my pockets. I still go to work, sleep and ride my ZX-12R. Pretty much plan to keep it that way. Frankly, the whole subject has long ago gotten quite boring out here in the sticks. Now if they would issue me a terrorist hunting permit, that might be different.
Amen brother. I find it hilarious when I see it on the news how scared people are. Please. I don't live in the sticks but I sure as hell am not scared even here in Detroit, I laugh at all the people who are panicked. Like the line in Platoon "Everybody got to die someday Red" I'll be goddamned if I, for even one second, will be frightened of anyone or anything. Well, except my wife of course. LOL
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posted February 24, 2003 10:06 AM
A friend of mine sent this to me. He is a from the middle east and his opinion is if you want to live in the United States you should have to speak the language and follow the laws etc. He is amazed at how we give up our rights and heritage for the very people trying to destroy us.
This says it all!
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> After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim
> woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered this is
> an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper.
> He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!
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> IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying
> about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the
> terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by
> the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely
> settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the
> possibility that our patriotism was offending others.
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> I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is
> seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost
> entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few
> things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some
> born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural
> community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national
> identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own
> language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over
> centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women
> who have sought freedom.
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> We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
> Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our
> society, learn the language!
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> "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right
> wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and
> women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
> documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our
> schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the
> world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.
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> If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you
> should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are
> happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't
> care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land,
> and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every! citizen the right to
> express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But
> once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our
> pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take
> advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
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posted February 24, 2003 04:06 PM
I don't even like to read articles like that. It rings too true. It's so much easier to pretend everything will work itself out even though I suspect it won't. The nation as a whole is so far from the path our founding fathers envisioned. I am continually amazed at the massive expanse (and expense)of the welfare/social program budget in this counrty. The responsible, self reliant people who used to be the majority have let things get way out of hand. I fear there is no turning back. My biggest regret sometimes is bringing two sons into this world. Dammit, I gotta go have a beer.
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posted February 24, 2003 10:22 PM
I feel safe now..... my checked luggage was trashed by the TSA and they even left a note to let me know they did it. Imagine going on a business trip and having suits and shirts very neatly packed in your luggage and when you arrive you find what looks like all of the contents of your bag has been dumped on the floor and then wadded up and stuffed back in your bag. The note even says that if you locked your bag when you checked it that they can break it and have no responsibility for damage.
The airlines used to strongly suggest locking luggage because of the problems with things disappearing while the baggage was in route. Now your checked luggage can be trashed all in the name of national security.
I feel so safe now.
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