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posted January 27, 2003 08:26 PM
I blew that aforementioned 170 mph turn 1 at Pacific Raceway one time on the 12...Ended up all the way out on the slimey little white line on the wrong side of the track, coming up to turn 2....Talk about an express ride to the wrong spot! But I got it slowed down for turn 2 and gathered it back in. That was when I decided it was time for the Marchesinis!
  
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posted January 27, 2003 10:51 PM
Turbo you didn't see me making any claims about knee draggin 170 mile an hour turns. This whole converswation started when I talked about race track conditions on extreme lean angles. It then mutated to 170 mile an hour sweepers. I have been around way to long, ridden way to much, personally raced to much and paid and sponsored to many racers to buy into exteme lean angles at 150 and above.
Swft and I are probably one of the very few people out there that spend time on the race track with our 12's. That said soesn't make us or least me out to be the brightest guy on the block! But it certainly will livin up your Saturday and Sunday. And my lap times on the 12 are lower then they are on a 600 or a 1000. Violent horsepower tends to effect the flexibility of my wrist. But it is fun to run the 12 anyway.
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posted January 28, 2003 07:34 AM
Some of you guys are truely CLUELESS!!
No where in my comment did I refer to "Dragging A Knee"at 170!!
Not one of you have a clue as to what kind of cool roads we have out here in the Desert Southwest! Smooooth, wideopen, long right to left sweepers, uphill/downhill, you name it! All on the same HWY!! Divided that is.
Z....Come on out and take a ride, I will show you PLENTY!
Get REAL YCIS!
MadMike....CLUE!! Oil cavitation comes FIRST, rod end problem comes SECOND! There you go. 
LOL!!!!!
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posted January 28, 2003 07:35 AM
Some of you guys are truely CLUELESS!!
No where in my comment did I refer to "Dragging A Knee"at 170!!
Not one of you have a clue as to what kind of cool roads we have out here in the Desert Southwest! Smooooth, wideopen, long right to left sweepers, uphill/downhill, you name it! All on the same HWY!! Divided that is.
Z....Come on out and take a ride, I will show you PLENTY!
Get REAL YCIS!
MadMike....CLUE!! Oil cavitation comes FIRST, rod end problem comes SECOND! There you go.
LOL!!!!!
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posted January 28, 2003 08:13 AM
I think the only one that needs to get real is you.....I ride 170+ on public roads nearly every weekend(while racing of course)...now granted they are interstates...but its damn near impossible for the bike to lean over at all at those speeds even to take the relatively calm bend in most interstate "loops"....much less some amazing sweeper you seem to ride on. I wouldnt really consider a left hand turn of 3 degrees that took place over a 5 mile stretch of road to be a "sweeper" but whatever floats your boat 
Perhaps you are in need of a speedo calibration
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MadMike
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posted January 28, 2003 10:17 AM
Ok you lost me? on your statement to me, I know how and what happens if you run low on oil, my mistake(costly one). but a learning process and I will not let that happen again.
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posted January 28, 2003 10:30 AM
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Crap...I was hopping to STOP the slinging...NOT keep it going 
ra...sorry if I over did it...My last post was at the end of a VERY long day/WEEK...and I was just tired of hearing/seeing this LIMITER thread go on-and-ON about rod bearings...
ANSWER...
The ONLY ZX12 that I have PERSONALY seen with a bearing failed??? ran his bike WITH GAS IN THE OIL...ALL WEEKEND...at BikeWeek...AND home to Ocala before having the oil changed...PC3 went bad and he burned(used) a whole tank of gas it less-than an hour!!!
I'm with Doug on this one...keep the oil level up...and there is no problem...
I would definetily run the drysump on an "all out Dragbike" if I could afford it
We've been Dragracing John's bike (LOTS of Power Wheelies) for going on 3-years now with the oil level LOW if anything...with NO Problems...
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posted January 28, 2003 02:10 PM
Back to the original question. I think SuperBikeMike modifies the Hayabusa for a higher rev limit. Might check to see if he can do one for the 12? Don't know anything about him, just saw an add somewhere.
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posted January 28, 2003 02:36 PM
I just talked to him today and he mentioned that. He sends them to an outfit in the UK who gets into the guts of the box and 'stretches the map' or some such and gets another 5-600rpm out of it. He said he would do it for a 12 owner for $500, or multiple 12 owners for $450/ea. Don't know how many multiple is, but if you're interested Entropy, give him a call. 954-484-6969.
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posted January 28, 2003 07:19 PM
AAAAAhhhhhhh,,,,,,Zhooligan and Swft HELLO!!!!!!!!!! Zhooligan looks like you owe me an apology?!?! I apologized to you when I was wrong, and so i think it is your turn!!!
Kevin,,,your wise cracks above was very immature!!!
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posted January 28, 2003 08:10 PM
Apples and oranges. I'll stand with my comments on the oil system. Not even Doug Meyer road races a ZX12. The issue is not straight line or high speed it is the size of the return oil journals, running 4 qts. of oil, long term leaned over, head fills with oil and the oil pump sucks air. You beleive what you want.
And debate it all you want with yourself. When you have something to add to a discussion, such as actual mechanical information, actual riding experience, start actually road racing your 12 I'll listen to you. And then perhaps we can debate what the word is means. After all you have attempted to play word games to excuse your calling Swft a liar. And it was your calling Swft a liar that pulled me into this thread. I don't owe you an apology. I posted the facts as they relate to what happen and what I persoanlly have observed and actually done.
Perhaps in your future posts you might suprise me and come up with some useful information like dean did above. Somehow I doubt it.
Hey Dean thanks for the info. And Kevin keep up with the wise cracks! I appreciate a little levity.
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posted January 28, 2003 08:31 PM
YCIS..."What a CLOWN"
Some others STILL have thier heads in the sand.
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posted January 28, 2003 10:37 PM
Sorry...I dont need to lie on the internet to look cool.
Have fun in "Dragaknee at 170 Land" bud
I still think yer smokin rock....but hey....whatever floats your boat
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posted January 29, 2003 07:50 AM
YCIS, I have given accurate info on all my posts, You seem very clueless and probably do not know the capabilities of your 12 (MOST DON'T). You sound like a "Strait Liner" to me.
Let me guess....You also don't believe that I went 195.8 mph out here on my 12 w/ stock gearing and never hit the limiter!!
There is no need to put your "Knee Down" to negotiate a sweeper at high speeds, also never said that I did!! Who's smokin' Rock?!? Hmmmmm....
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posted January 29, 2003 10:26 AM
I just said whatever floats your boat dude...Im sure that the laws of physics and the effects of wind at that speed dont apply to your bike or the roads you ride on.
as posted before..if you consider the curve in an interstate a "sweeper"...then sure...I guess your the MAN!!!
That 195.8 run.....that was prolly the reading in the apex of that sweeper right?
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posted January 29, 2003 12:02 PM
My post above wasn't meant to disagree with the problem that SWFT had...just posting MY experience...
I'm done with this thread...
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posted January 29, 2003 01:08 PM
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PLEASE STOP this nonsense!!!
There is no "problem". Just keep the EFFING oil level where it belongs and you'll have no problems anywhere but POSSIBLY on the dragstrip. IF you are running a serious-ass drag setup with a big or sticky tire and BIG power you can unport the pump with g-loads at the launch. The fix for this is an accumulator or a dry sump, both of which have been (and are) used on the Muzzy drag bikes. As far as high speed runs- how's this: a 5 mile run at Bonneville takes about a minute and a half. Sit in your chair there and stare at your watch for a minute and a half. That's how long the thing is at 11 grand. During the week you might do that 20 times if you're lucky.
Stock rods, stock bearings, stock pump, Motul oil- No problem.
Doug
Exactly!!
Doug, info on that dry sump / accumulator fix please!!
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posted January 29, 2003 03:00 PM
For the dry sump, call us- The kit is $1695 less tank and plumbing. It includes billet pan and two stage scavenge pump and drive adapter. (Before I hear cries of "Shit, I can get a pump for ....!" this pump is a custom built, 2 lobe high speed rotor pump, not the "usual" 6 tooth automotive gear pump).
For the accumulator call-
Master Lube at 970 867.5154 tell em you want what we use- less than $300
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posted January 29, 2003 03:06 PM
Nice piece on SpeedTv Doug..
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posted January 29, 2003 03:41 PM
Can I drag a knee at 170 with that sump?
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posted January 29, 2003 03:45 PM
Strait Liner "CLOWN"
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posted January 29, 2003 04:23 PM
Pshaa..I got mad twistY skills yO
I drag knees at 200+....shit...I took the runoff turn at maxton at well over 190 and thats a 180deg u-turn!!!!
(see..I can make shit up too!)
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posted January 30, 2003 08:03 AM
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For the dry sump, call us- The kit is $1695 less tank and plumbing. It includes billet pan and two stage scavenge pump and drive adapter. (Before I hear cries of "Shit, I can get a pump for ....!" this pump is a custom built, 2 lobe high speed rotor pump, not the "usual" 6 tooth automotive gear pump).
For the accumulator call-
Master Lube at 970 867.5154 tell em you want what we use- less than $300
Doug
Doug, with the dry sump, does it shorten the oil pan so the bike can be lowered more?? How fast does the bike need to be (9's, high 8's, low 8's ) before the hard launch/run will affect the oil pickup, therefore calling for a dry sump or accumulator. You stated that they were on all the drag bikes, so I was just wondering if it would be needed for the occasional drag weekend.
Accumulator sounds like a good idea anyway for less than 300. I know how much a top end costs.....Thanks Doug!!
YCIS. Yo man, me too!! I wonder if I need it for those 180 mph wheelies I do in traffic. Top dat....
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posted January 30, 2003 09:36 AM
Whatever...your back in kindergarden boy...come let me take you to school
180mph wheelies...shit..im just shiftin to 3rd at 180.....leaned over...scrapin pegs.
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posted January 30, 2003 12:12 PM
...but that's on my pit bike!!
Don't make me break my 12 out.........
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