posted January 20, 2003 05:47 AM
Doug Meyer: disable 11.6 limiter???? Doug (or other expert),
Is there a magic box or trick to disable the 11.6 rev limiter on a 2000 zx12?
I know that the Muzzy ECU can do it, but I am tapped out on major cash. Besides, it does so many things I want, I'd be fukken with it for a year, and I am looking for something relatively quick.
My 1427 has a beautiful hp curve which is not dropping off at all (yet) when it gets near 11.6.
I don't really want to use too much more rpm, rather I want to avoid hitting the limiter (as I occaisonally do now), with the shift lite set at 11.2.
Thanks for your help
PS: the Muzzy billet crank & billet block make an AWESOME combo!!!!
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I understand that it tricks the bike into thinking it is not surpassing 186mph (not a problem with '00's), but I am under the impression that it does not eliminate the 11.6 limiter. I hope I am wrong.
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posted January 20, 2003 08:37 AM
Unless you have Carrillo Rods or something, I would not advise it w/ your piston speed as high as it is.
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posted January 20, 2003 09:06 AM
I am not trying to extend my useable rpm, rather I am looking to OCCAISONALLY go up to 11.8 or so, rather that go into the limiter at 11.6. I hit the button at 11.2, but in the lower gears you gotta be damn quick or it'll hit the limiter.
My button shifty gets cranky about shifting when the bike in in the limiter.
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posted January 20, 2003 10:42 AM
When I took a tour of Muzzy's, Rob showed me the bottom end in three different 12 motors that had all seen 13k at the strip. No problems with any of them, stock rods, pistons.
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posted January 20, 2003 09:03 PM
The Bonneville box doen't raise the rev limit, it just enables the rev limit to be reached in 6th. For now, the only way I know of would be the Muzzy EMS.
Doug
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posted January 20, 2003 11:11 PM
I have heard some rumors that Power Commander / Dyno jet is working on this for some of the bikes. i.e. the RC51. But I don't know that they will offer something like this for the 12 even if they actually come up with this option.
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quote:The Bonneville box doen't raise the rev limit, it just enables the rev limit to be reached in 6th. For now, the only way I know of would be the Muzzy EMS.
Doug
thx Doug for the clarification.
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posted January 21, 2003 08:37 AM
Great info on the Stock Rods Swft!! That's good to know after what happend to your 1270 race bike last spring. ____________
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posted January 21, 2003 12:26 PM
There is a company OverSeas that can raise the rev limit on the Bbusa ECM...
Don't have a clue (yet) if they can do anything with the 12s...with our luck...they can't...
posted January 21, 2003 06:03 PM
Swft, you type with your hands and feet.....interesting you didn't even reply to the obvious regarding your motor and your above post! Remember, you led us to believe that there was some sort of oiling system problem or design problem from Kawasaki and the zx12 motor. Doug just told us what the real problem was,,,,,,,"Put oil in your motor and it won't throw a rod"!!!!
You actually should apologize to the board and to KMI for lying!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted January 21, 2003 09:16 PM
The fucking engine failure on Swfts bike did not occur because there was no in the engine. It was in fact full of oil per the manufactures specifications. It failed because fucking Kawasaki's design is such that when the bike is ran on or near the limiter for extended periods of time on a road race track at extreme lean angles the return oil journals are to small to replenish or return the oil to the crankcase.
And since there are damn few people that have actually ran their 12's for extended periods in racing conditions it has not been a problem. Doug's comment about a lack of oil is correect. As For ra12's comment about Swft running the bike without oil he is out of line. The ZX11 had similar problems in it's early production years that kawasaki corected.
That said if you are a casual street rider or a straight line drag racer you 10 seconds are probably not an issue. Someday ra12r you will have follow me around the race track for a few laps on your 12. If you can keep up you will have the oportunity to experience Kawasaki's oil return design.
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posted January 22, 2003 07:46 AM
Looks like the BEEHIVE got kicked!!
Good to see others are not fooled buy some on the board!!
As for "Racing Conditions", You don't have to be on a "Race Track" to put your 12 through extreme conditions. We have a divided hwy out here that runs up through some mountain passes. At the time and day we run it, traffic is non-existant and so is law enforcement. We enter some sweepers at 150 and exit them 170+. Lean angle can be extreme, RPM's are up and this can occur for long periods of time (up to an HOUR!).
I have not had ANY oiling related problems running my bike this hard, and understand.....This kind of running IS Hard.
The chest beating is not Impressive.
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posted January 22, 2003 08:12 AM
Nice try psycho. All of the non existant law enforcement wide open highway in the world is not the same as running on a race track with 16 to 20 corners with the motorcycle not stuck in 5th and 6th gear but rung out in all the gears, but priamarily the lower gears, etc. This isn't chest beating it is reality. There is a reason why we change the oil on a race bike efvery day. And it sure in hell isn't ego.
Post some pictures of your knee pucks and tires. I want to see the one hour of 170 mile and hour knee draggin results. Hell you might get picked up for the lemans ZX12 team.
Calling somebody a liar on this board that you have never met, about a subject and circumstances you have no idea about or was a part of is out of line.
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posted January 22, 2003 06:59 PM
Hey Zhooligan, since it wasn't your bike and you are not Swft's pit monkey, then you don't know what you are talking about either,,,,,,,,,I have seen several zx12 motors and Have run mine personally hard enough and long enough to "pool" oil in the heads,,,,(if that were possible) as I am not running "GEAR LUBE THICK" oil, at 200 degrees even sae 50 racing oil runs freely.
Secondly, Swft was running a 1270 block, (if i remember correctly) and anyone with a 1270 knows that it USES oil much much faster than a stock motor. "One" of the benefits of thinner "cheaper" rings, justified by saying that thinner rings reduce ring flutter ,,,,,,?!?!?!?!?!?! WHATEVER So, knowing how the 1270 uses oil and Swft's self confession of LONG EXTENDED USE (without checking anything) his bike got low on oil and starved a bearing or two. So, Zhooligan please chill as the issue is not Kawasaki's design problem!!!
Maybe I am wrong, but I bet I am closer to being right.....
I am not psycho and I definitely am not stupid!!! Like Doug said, rod and bearing failures in this motor is from the LACK of oil!!!!!! Pick a smarter battle to fight as you don't know who I am either.........hmmmm
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posted January 22, 2003 07:34 PM
170mph sweepers...lol What are you running a 10 tooth countershaft sprocket to really fool the speedometer pickup??
As if the bike just "cooperates" at 170mph...in a turn no less....hahahaha.
Get real. At 170 in a turn, just a wiggle will put you in the weeds or the guardrail... sorry try again.
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posted January 22, 2003 07:35 PM
Does anyone make an "adjustable" or "swinging" type of oil pickup like the Busas and GSXRs have?
Ive seen so many GSXRs ridden on the limiter almost vertical and still those motors dont break!
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posted January 22, 2003 08:40 PM
ra12r another example of you not knowing what it is you are talking about. Not only do I work on Swfts stuff, I most certainly do ride and race his bikes as well. Swft got into racing as a result of riding with me.
Andyou are telling me that I did not put oil in his bike the day before prior to loading it in the trailer. And most certainly it had oil. And I also know that oil maint. on it has been oil changes at 2000 miles or less. Factory filter everytime.
So my suggestion is stick to what you know and if you want to debate Kawasaki's oil system fine. But don't go calling someone a liar when you don't know the facts.
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