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posted January 17, 2003 04:24 PM
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Big Brother is...bigger
From the Office of Information Awareness:
TIA Overview:
Babylon system:
Bio-Surveillance:
Communicator program:
EARS Program:
EELD Program:
FutureMAP Program:
Genisys Program:
Genoa Program:
GenoaII Program:
HumanID Program:
TIDES Program:
WAE Program:
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posted January 17, 2003 10:45 PM
There are actually people who still believe if you havn't anything to hide you shouldn't worry. The concept behind the movie "Minority Report" is as far off as one might think! Technology is cool, but it will eventually get us. And of course the other interesting side of all of these various programs is how much are we spending on this shit?!!
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posted January 18, 2003 02:24 AM
well, technically those people are right. if u live to the lette rof the law, then really it doesn't hurt u. however, so long as there are people who can evade "the system", those people can use the info gained by the system against u. unless the system is 100% flawless & is applied to 100% of the population including those in control of the system, it wont' work for anyone cept the asshoels who are abusin it. it's the same (in more ways than one) as communism. the concept is fine, and would prolyl work fine if people were honest & truly believed in it. but of course not everyone is honest. u jsut need one corrupt shithead in a position of power to fuck up the whole system, as has been demonstrated countless times thru recent history. and unfortunately its never just a few people who are corrupt, it's a huge percentage if not the majority. course, if people were all 100% honest & well intentioned, it wouldnt matter WHAT system u use. hell, ya wouldnt need a system at all.
i read a book while in tokyo...damn i cant remember the name. but the premise was the invention of a technology that allowed u to open a remote viewpoint anywhere in the world (well, universe actually). once the technology made it's way into the hands of joe public, privacy was non-existent. and dishonesty was useless, cause u would be caught, guaranteed. basically the book explored how this changed the world, the behaviour of people. was a pretty accurate analysis by my thinking, and a very titlating concept. prolly be a much better (tho weirder) world.
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posted January 18, 2003 10:06 PM
wow...i read something like that too, and don't recall right off the title or author
i think it was one of either heinlein or asimov, and was a short story. interesting ;P
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frEEk
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posted January 19, 2003 01:35 AM
hehe, yeah no kidding.
the book wasnt a short story, tho it wasnt exactly war & peace either. the main keyword that comes to mind right now is "softscreens", which is what the antagonist invented before the remote camera things ("wormcams" i think?)
the book wasnt exactly the academic literary work of the century, but it was reasonably entertaining (in a borderline drugstore paperback way) while presenting a rather interesting situation/concept.
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posted January 19, 2003 09:49 AM
I would like to have one of those remote viewpoints (for ethical uses of course, not to see the neighbor woman in the shower).
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posted January 21, 2003 04:23 PM
The last thing I would ever want to see is any of my neighbor women in the shower. 
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posted January 21, 2003 04:49 PM
Are you really safe with new technology? Even if you've committed no crime?
Take something as simple as giving blood for a routine exam. Let's look out ten years in the future. A part of your sample goes to an insurance company's lab for DNA analysis without your consent.
All of your affinities to varying diseases are analyzed, and your life expectancy extrapolated. You suddenly find yourself bypassed for a position you've wanted in your company by a less qualified co-worker.
You ask why? The answer you are given is that you have an 89% of developing a terminal form of cancer within the next five years.
I'm just playing a mind-experiment.
Anyone ever see Gattaca? :P
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posted January 21, 2003 06:48 PM
Yea, loved it! Very much a class struggle movie. Underclass being those who were deemed genetically inferior.
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posted January 22, 2003 01:32 AM
and therein lies the problem todd. unless the technological invasion of privacy is absolute, it doesnt work. in ur example, joe public was "tagged", but the insurance company was able to slip under the radar. that shit dont fly. hence the interesting concept raised by abovementioned book. the ability to spy on ANYONE at ANYTIME in the present or past, and that technology being freely available to EVERYONE... well, a form of utopia was realized, tho a pretty damned weird one. but as usaul, it's just a theoretical situation that has about zero chance of being replicated in reality.
as to the gattaca concept: let me check my dna first. if it's good, i say we go with it!
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posted January 22, 2003 08:05 AM
Looks good on paper but I'd say the giant hole where the WTC once stood kinda shows that this Powerpoint presentation needs some more work before it's real...
english to farsi translation:
english: "we are you friends. Please leave us alone"
= farsi translation "attack America immediatley. Our country is undefended as we are busy invading the rest of the world so nobody is home right now."
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posted January 22, 2003 12:06 PM
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and therein lies the problem todd. unless the technological invasion of privacy is absolute, it doesnt work. in ur example, joe public was "tagged", but the insurance company was able to slip under the radar. that shit dont fly. hence the interesting concept raised by abovementioned book. the ability to spy on ANYONE at ANYTIME in the present or past, and that technology being freely available to EVERYONE... well, a form of utopia was realized, tho a pretty damned weird one. but as usaul, it's just a theoretical situation that has about zero chance of being replicated in reality.
as to the gattaca concept: let me check my dna first. if it's good, i say we go with it!
I gotcha. I did the first time(in your previous post)  You know that all things being equal, some people will be MORE equal than others. We've a long way to go before there is true equality.
As for your DNA, I wouldn't be concerned, It checked out fine.
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posted January 22, 2003 07:54 PM
I just read that the UK's speed cameras are being used for a lot more than just tagging speeders. The cameras run full time, so all kinds of possibilities, like monitoring movement of drivers/riders, etc...
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posted January 23, 2003 01:30 PM
Orwell kind of had it right, but some of it wrong. He was trying to show the brutalilty of totalitarianism - and living under the tyrany of brute force. The technology (cameras and microphones) were only a tool.
But it is real in England now.
And the tyranny we live under is one of luxury - not brutality.
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posted January 25, 2003 07:34 AM
Government/police operated speed cameras do not operate full time. The legalities of using still frames from a recorded sequence to gain prosecution are still under review in the UK. Digital cameras are stil a grey area due to the method of data transfer and copying. Complicated by proving whether it is a copy of the data or an original! Am having problems at work at the minute with Digital CCTV recorded on a PC hard drive being admissable as evidence in an enquiry following an accident. The blue cameras you see on bridges and poles by the road side are for a traffic monitoring sysytem that drivers subscribe to for "up to date" traffic info. My company car has one of these sytems fitted and is useful, but only if you drive at the speed limit, if you drive 10 mph over it announces you should leave the motorway at a certain junction to avoid congestion ahead just as said junction dissapears in your mirror!
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