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posted January 15, 2003 04:36 PM
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I'm taking my bike over to MVR next Monday. I have appreciated and used all the great information & help this board has to give on upgrading to a BB or a turbo. I also went to 3 of the local shops and asked salesman and mechanics what their preference would be. Everyone said BB because of maintenance and reliability issues related to turbos. Now, I need to decide which BB, any last minute thoughts?
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posted January 15, 2003 05:23 PM
chicken! 
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posted January 15, 2003 05:26 PM
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chicken!
teriaki?
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posted January 15, 2003 05:57 PM
Yes I do like teriaki chicken!!
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posted January 15, 2003 07:09 PM
Megabyte - It's not a question of how fast do you want to go, the question is, how much do you want to spend?? 
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posted January 15, 2003 08:11 PM
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Megabyte - It's not a question of how fast do you want to go, the question is, how much do you want to spend??
Swft, I guess my preference is the sum of: reliability, rideability, performance, & speed, respectively. I ruled out the MCXpress Turbo @ $5400 because of its intercooler issues, but I seriously considerd the velocity turbo @ $5800, however, I didn't like what everyone was telling me about the reliability and maintenance issues that go along w/turbos. If it wasn't for MVR's expertise and reputation, I don't think I'd even go w/a BB. I guess I'm hoping that I'll have a better engine after Mike gets through w/it. So now I have to choose between a 1270 and a 1361, and even though I've had to save up awhile for this, money isn't the issue for me....
BTW, I plan to be there around noon next Monday if anyone is interested in a chicken teriaki lunch
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posted January 15, 2003 08:47 PM
These guys might be able to do something for you. http://www.turbotecusa.com/
I've been thinking...... Check out the "products info" - ZRX. I've got the black ZRX, just need the turbo. 185 hp bolt on - 201 hp with a little tweaking. All for about $3K Mmmmmmm.
Check this thread http://www.zrxoa.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24153
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posted January 15, 2003 09:55 PM
I gotta disagree with the "reliability" part. Tell me what is more reliable than a stock motor? With the exception of a thicker base gasket or spacer plate, a turbo is a true "bolt on" application.
The only problems with turbos is typically the owners. How many of the "shops" you talked too...actually owned anything turbo??
When "turbo hayabusas" dont even raise an eyebrow anymore...tells you that turbos have come a long way. When guys arent satisfied with only 300hp...makes you wonder...hehe.
Scooter, I dont know about that kit for the ZRX. Seems kinda weak. Not a fan of the Aerochargers anyway...too much variation on hp output.
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posted January 15, 2003 10:13 PM
Seems like doubling the HP has got to over stress and eventually break something ?
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I gotta disagree with the "reliability" part. Tell me what is more reliable than a stock motor? With the exception of a thicker base gasket or spacer plate, a turbo is a true "bolt on" application.
The only problems with turbos is typically the owners. How many of the "shops" you talked too...actually owned anything turbo??
When "turbo hayabusas" dont even raise an eyebrow anymore...tells you that turbos have come a long way. When guys arent satisfied with only 300hp...makes you wonder...hehe.
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posted January 15, 2003 11:04 PM
Look at it this way, if a person can spray a stock motor with nitrous and get 235hp...what do you think a turbo will add?
I think folks are getting confused on the whole issue.
I dont think its unrealistic to get 275hp out of a stock motor and still keep it reliable. Now if you wanted to run 15lbs or more of boost, than stronger pistons, rods, and HD valve springs would be in order. Then with proper fueling I cant imagine 350hp or more would be out of the question.
Im talking about a stock motored bike with just a turbo installed running 12lbs of boost max.
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posted January 15, 2003 11:20 PM
275 hp????? way more than I could ever need. i do too mcuh twisty riding, if I reach around and grabbed too mcuh gas, at the apex of a curve, I could kiss my arse goodbye.....am running about 170 rightnow, am hoping to get about 190 out of it when I am done....that is way more than I need.....IMO....now if I were only going straight...that would be a different story....lol
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posted January 16, 2003 07:24 AM
IMHO, the best return for a person's money is the 1270 kit from muzzy. Turbo will get you much more power, but at quintuple the cost.
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posted January 16, 2003 07:42 AM
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if you "only" want 190, I am 100% w/swft, do the 1270.
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posted January 16, 2003 09:14 AM
I am gonna do what I can with out opening the motor, I still have 4 years of warranty on it....lol
after that, its on......
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posted January 16, 2003 09:15 AM
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IMHO, the best return for a person's money is the 1270 kit from muzzy. Turbo will get you much more power, but at quintuple the cost.
Considering MVR's reputation, would you have an opinion wrt the overall performance & reliability of his 1270 or 1361 compared to a stock engine? & ditto for a 1270 compared to a 1361?
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posted January 16, 2003 11:16 AM
1270!! Kit is easier and less costly to install. 1361 will have more HP and torque for sure, but at what price?? A properly tuned (and I'm sure Mike can do that!!) 1270 will outperform a "thrown in" 1361 any day.
What else are you upgrading at the same time? Lots of other goodies can improve your bike without motor work. MVR will probably be able to guide you in the right direction......
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posted January 16, 2003 01:52 PM
If money were not the CRITICAL (simply important) issue, I would (and did) do the 1361 instead of a 1270. Peak hp on a 1270 is close to a 1361, but lo/mid range torque is WAY below the 1361.
I agree w/Chan that in a drag race, a well tuned 1270 MAY match a thrown-together 1361, but only because the race is mostly at peak revs, 2-3-4-5. Additionally, the heavier torque of the 1361 actually makes it a bit harder to handle in the top of 1st (wants to come up on you). However, on the street its torque (low rpm hp) which does the job.
With a 1361, leaning fwd just a bit and snapping the throttle will light up that rear tire in a way which will bring an instant smile to yr face.
And consider: to put the 1270 in, you need to pull the engine out completely anyway. So why not just split the cases, put in the stroker crank, and freshen up yr trans while yr at it.
On a tight budget get a 1270; got access to a couple more grand, get a 1361.
my 2 cents worth!
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posted January 16, 2003 03:27 PM
You guys are just fountains of useful info.
let me check my lottery ticket for last nite's drawing, and I'll get back to you
All kidding aside, I do really appreciate everyone's input.
Thanks,
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If money were not the CRITICAL (simply important) issue, I would (and did) do the 1361 instead of a 1270. Peak hp on a 1270 is close to a 1361, but lo/mid range torque is WAY below the 1361.
I agree w/Chan that in a drag race, a well tuned 1270 MAY match a thrown-together 1361, but only because the race is mostly at peak revs, 2-3-4-5. Additionally, the heavier torque of the 1361 actually makes it a bit harder to handle in the top of 1st (wants to come up on you). However, on the street its torque (low rpm hp) which does the job.
With a 1361, leaning fwd just a bit and snapping the throttle will light up that rear tire in a way which will bring an instant smile to yr face.
And consider: to put the 1270 in, you need to pull the engine out completely anyway. So why not just split the cases, put in the stroker crank, and freshen up yr trans while yr at it.
On a tight budget get a 1270; got access to a couple more grand, get a 1361.
my 2 cents worth!
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posted January 16, 2003 05:49 PM
Shit, if you're gonna pull the motor down why not just go with the big block kit and leave the crank alone?
If you have to split the cases, ala 1361, then get the Bear Racing overdrive gears to. They run $500 and are reduced~8% or so.
(that is while we're spending your money...lol)
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