posted November 17, 2001 04:54 PM
Muzzy 1361 Broke Had about 1500 miles on my Muzzy stroker 1361 when it broke.
(Bearings/Crank) NB Was never overreved - this is one motor you dont have to overrev!
Installation was painstakingly flawless. Dealer (they did the work) rang Muzzys. Were apparently told that this kit is not for the street - it's a race motor. Said that nascar engines cost ++$$$$++ and they dont complain when it breaks so why should I? When told it was indeed sometimes used at the track... said that no one ever warranties anything at the track.
So I'm stuck.
Have to order a new crank from Kawasaki($700) and send it to Muzzy, pay again and wait two months. And get it built again.
Needs a life
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posted November 17, 2001 04:57 PM
Give Mike Velasco a call at (360) 792-1292. He's got a source for crank work. Mine was stroked, balanced, ion nitrided. You'll still have to get the crank from Kaw first, but at least you won't have to go through falicone, which is where Muzzys is sending their cranks.
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posted November 18, 2001 11:21 AM
Can you tell me what part/parts failed? This is the only one I've heard of.
Doug
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posted November 18, 2001 04:03 PM
Lesson learned..save your money and dump what parts you have left and wait patiently for the *turbo* kits to be released!!
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posted November 19, 2001 07:26 AM
i hate to say it but.. This is exactly what Lee at Lee's Performance warned me about. I have a stroker kit and he said don't put it in because he's heard the rewelded cranks don't last more than ~1000 miles or so. Dammit!
posted November 19, 2001 08:09 AM
Yes, it's the only one I'm aware of. I do know of larger strokes (+5,6,7) that have faied, but we don't do those for that very reason. I'm still gathering information on this failure and will give you my .02 when I know the facts.
Doug
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posted November 19, 2001 03:40 PM
welded crank failures I experienced a stroker crank failure on my ZX-11. The crank was a Muzzy (Falicon) 3mm over crank which broke in the left edge of the #2 rod bearing. The break did not seperate and no other damage was done. I put 3378 miles on this crank before it broke. This crank was riddden on the street with an occasional trip to the dragstrip. I suspect this crank broke due to having it lightned after I recieved it from Muzzy. The crank was sent to APE for lightening. I never bitched to Muzzy (Doug Meyer) because I figured I had no one to blame but myself for modifying the part without talking to Doug about it first. Seriously though I don't believe a welded stroker crank is ever as strong as a stock crank. I saw an identical failure 12 years ago with a Honda CBX crank which was done by Falicon and used in a drag bike. On the positive side I have two friends who ride Honda CBR-XX 5mm strokers. Both cranks were done at Falicon (one has over 30,000 miles) without any problems. Look forward to further input from Doug on this subject.
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posted November 20, 2001 03:28 PM
The information that I have been given so far is that a rod bearing failed just after or at a track day at Willow Springs. Given that the bearing clearances were checked and correct. I really don't have any explanation other than maybe oil quality/temp/level. From what II know now, I wouldn't call this a crank or "kit" failure. It's "Just one 'o them racin' deals"
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posted November 20, 2001 04:06 PM
Well what is the 1361 kit good for then? Isn't the 1360 kit supposed to be raced! Or is it just an internal image upgrade for bragg'n while hang'n out with harley guys??? (It makes 200+Hp..but...)
If the upgrade/kit isn't ment to be raced?? What is it for?
If the part(s) break while being used for what they were setup/intended for, then it looks to me like that should be a warranty deal.
Needless to say I'm not real impressed with muzzy. (No offence to you Doug M., you seem honest & respectable. But, ""Just one 'o them racin' deals" " is a cop-out that I'm sure came from another mans lips.) There are quality issues with some muzzy products. & the primary people who consider "upgrade" items like this should be warned ahead of time! (Racing will void your warranty, if raced this product may render your motor useless. etc..)
Ever wonder why the Kawasaki superbikes are using Akro pipes and "other" non-muzzy parts? (Quality & Performance)
These kind of problems don't give me the "warm fuzzy" 4 Muzzy products.
posted November 20, 2001 05:24 PM
You're way out of line speedgeek......In my opinion, Muzzy products are second to none and I sould know, I pay for and use most of them on my bikes. Please list the failures you have personal experienced.
And please, do us a favour, save the Ackro pipe shit for the kids at the donut shop.....Fact - manufacturers pay big dollars to the race teams to have the rights to certain showcase manufactures bikes and events, period. Quite frankly, most aftermarket pipes at the 'free flow racing level', perform pretty much the same.....Once the back pressure is relieved, you go.
Regards,
Cliff
posted November 20, 2001 06:45 PM
The last Muzzy Pipe I had to be rewelded. Cliffrandall,
The weld broke around the lip (Close to the head) after 13 mths of use. (street & drag use)
First thing I did after buying the 12 was compare pipes & the feedback from Muzzy users was less than encouraging. (Idle problems, burnt plastic,etc)
Close friend bought a 1270 bike (the whole bike) w/extended swing arm, w/full ti pipe from muzzy. This bike runs fine on the drag strip, wide open, but terrible on the street. He won't even ride it on the street unless he must. After riding my bike his exact words were "Nice & Very Smooth".
And why isn't Team Kawasaki (WSB) NOT using muzzy pipes again? I'll go ahead & say Kawasaki won't be using MUZZY pipes on the new GP bikes either.
(Care to wager $100 on it?)
If you don't like akro pipes that's fine with me. Have you examined one close up? There is a world of difference between the workmanship of the akro & the muzzy. Just check-out the welds & you'll see what I'm typing about.
posted November 20, 2001 06:56 PM
confidence Well, I still have confidence. I'm still going to put my 1361 in as planned. When I see the true turbo results, maybe I'll pickup a second used y2k 12R and boost it at that time, but if it's anything like the last two years I'm sure it will be next winter before anything materializes on the turbo side.
posted November 20, 2001 08:16 PM
speedgeek.....This is not an insult, but fact - As I read your notes I realize that you do not have the level of expertise to understand any comments I might make, especially regarding your friend's 1270 set-up.
My advice, leave your bike stock.
Cheers,
Cliff
posted November 20, 2001 08:35 PM
Edited By: speedgeek on 20 Nov 2001 21:02
Easy easy now. You not being very nice.
I'm sure any 8th grader would have the "level of expertise" 2 "understand any comments" you might choose to make.
Why not give it a shot? & make at least 1/2 an effort. Maybe you'll help someone else.
posted November 20, 2001 09:09 PM
Ok now fellas,
let's not have this turn into a Labusas thread, that whole board is full of nothing but shit-slinging and character bashing. Cliff Randall knows a thing or two about bikes, speedgeek (not sure if you've ever seen his rides or not-you should take a look).
I'm not saying you don't know shit about bikes or the 12, but I would advise against bashing a company like Muzzy's because for every one person that has a problem with them, there are 50 that are happy as pigs in shit. I've bought a few Muzzy items for my 12 and I've been very happy with the service and advice regarding any questions I've had.
As far as the pipe goes, I have an Akrapovic pipe as well and wouldn't have gotten it if the deal on the Muzzy hadn't fallen through. So the Muzzy has idle hunt probs, big fuckin' deal, you don't throw a 750 double pumper on a high rise and not tune it. Personally, I've heard the Muzzy's runa and I think they sound cool, like they've got some big fuckin' bumpsticks in there....
so let's just chill here guys, how bout I buy everyone burgers and a beer?
posted November 20, 2001 09:50 PM
Edited By: speedgeek on 20 Nov 2001 21:57
I've recommended (& downloaded) cliffs PC maps for guys with 12's using Muzzy systems. Looked at what he was doing in the maps. CR knows a lot about the 12. & that I respected, but he acted like a total Dick when referring to my level of understanding.
I don't worship Muzzy products.
He asked about the problems I had with muzzy & I responded that it was with the welds on the header.
As for my friend's 1270 bike, he got the bike from Muzzy. Already built by Muzzy, what's so difficult to understand about that?
posted November 20, 2001 10:26 PM
I sent the crank to Falicon (I understand they do the cranks for Muzzys anyway)and it looks as if they can repair it. Yeah.
So now 'all' I have to do is pay for the repair, and the cost of rebuilding the engine together with a few spare parts. What's a thousand or two bucks between friends anyway?
Just hope it lasts a little longer this time(!?) Dont think I can afford to risk it on the track again though.
Thanks to those who offered help and advice. Much appreciated.
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