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posted October 28, 2009 01:37 PM
 Edited By: 2000redrocket on 28 Oct 2009 21:40
ridge i think i remember a check box to eliminate the rev limit . just checked and it is as i remembered. i hope the picture works out.
so how hi will it go with it unchecked you think? i also think i remember something like 15,000 and the ecu does something. got your simulator working yet?
kzscott these are the factory limits from ridges uploads of factory ecus
  
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posted October 28, 2009 01:44 PM
If you go 'off the map' the ECU uses the end value. So if your map ends at 12,000 rpm then at 13,000 rpm it will use the 12,000 ign/fuel numbers. Of course you can redefine your map axis values and add columns for the added rpm (you have to lose resolution else where to do it)
Also I remember I looked at the PCiii files way back when and it was possible to extend their rpms.
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posted October 28, 2009 01:51 PM
what about rpm? will it just keep on climbing till it blows or hit a billion rpms? i am happy the screen shot is viewable. there you go ent. unlimited rpms just be carefull.
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posted October 28, 2009 03:50 PM
So can Karl and I send you our ECUs? 
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posted October 28, 2009 05:49 PM
here we go todd. tomorrow done. i will flash with my map and test tomorrow i hope.
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posted October 29, 2009 05:36 AM
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So can Karl and I send you our ECUs?
Is that question directed at me or RedRocket.
I do these for a fee (PM me for details) but maybe Red will do them for free. My pitch is usually that as well as paying for my time my fee helps support further development but to be honest I don't see me taking the 12 much farther than it is already unless the recent availability of a low cost programmer interface rekindles interest in flashing these bikes.
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posted October 29, 2009 06:30 AM
So, when they are sent to brock, what rpm does he flash them to, and what is the highest limit?
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posted October 29, 2009 08:13 AM
Edited By: almost_les on 29 Oct 2009 18:11
i had rr do my ecu a while back. limiter is at 12,700 now.
karl:
to get the power commander map that high, you copy your current map onto an all-zero map from another bike with a higher red line and stick that into your power commander. the maps are not power commander specific. you could put an r6 map in if you wanted and your cells would go up to 16,000. you would never spin that fast, but now you know the trick to getting more rpms out of your power commander.
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posted October 29, 2009 01:38 PM
i my self would rather ridge do them. i had gotten the one i am flashing with my map to sell flashed ready to go and no one was intrested. now todds bike has a mad wheelie around 7000 rpms and is counter productive to raceing. my 12 did not run that way and i want to see if a ecu change with my map will help him out.
ridge the pms still do not work.
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posted October 29, 2009 02:02 PM
looks good don't be in a rush to finish it i not 100% sure if I'll be going Friday. I won't have the time to disconnect the pc. Thinking of keeping the pc but have the rev limiter raised will see??
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posted October 29, 2009 05:47 PM
well it is flashed. i just attached the ribon to the board. i need to order plug sockets and what not. the bike runs as it use to anyway(my bike) to flash this on the bike you need to modify some wire locations on the ecu plug. it is not hard but must be done. the other way is make a harness but you need plug sockets from someware.on the bike works for me.
had to make a box to apply power to a wire i took out of one plug that was not used and install it into the other plug for the ecu. then the box is plugged in to the plug that has the orange wire for FI codes. the box i made has a little circuit ridgeracer helped me make to apply the correct power to the wire transfered from one ecu plug to the other.
the ecu plugs actually pop apart so you can pull wires out and or put in. i my self had a honda accord wireing harness and the plugs there used the same pins on the wires. so i found a color i liked and used them for the datalogger also.
this is a bit of tinkering and work but in the end i feel better about it.
none of this would of been possable with out ridgeracers help to do it on the bike.and of course the poor ecu that donated its self to him as the doctor. with out that ecu the busa boys would of been no ware.(at least it is what i say and laugh)
i will have a report or let todd do it when it is on his bike.
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posted October 29, 2009 05:49 PM
KZScott is your bike the one with the 1st gear power retard? that is easy fixed with the flash also.
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posted October 29, 2009 10:19 PM
RR,
I would like to send you my DaveO modded ECU for flashing the rev limiter to as high as you can reasonably set it. Is that OK? PayPal? same 821 address?
les,
To "extend" a PC3r rpm range, just load a 0's map from a bike with a higher limit?
put my map into that extended map?
It's that simple?
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posted October 29, 2009 10:41 PM
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... the recent availability of a low cost programmer interface rekindles interest in flashing these bikes.
RR, do You know if Psyche has added the ZX12 definition file to his programmer? I've tried to look about his program, but it only listed TL1000? Haven't found any other link than the original he posted here a week or so ago... Or do the TL1000 definitions work for flashing?
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posted October 30, 2009 06:25 PM
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So can Karl and I send you our ECUs?
Is that question directed at me or RedRocket.
I do these for a fee (PM me for details) but maybe Red will do them for free. My pitch is usually that as well as paying for my time my fee helps support further development but to be honest I don't see me taking the 12 much farther than it is already unless the recent availability of a low cost programmer interface rekindles interest in flashing these bikes.
Im interested in sending it to you!
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KZScott is your bike the one with the 1st gear power retard? that is easy fixed with the flash also.
I have no idea? its the 01 A2 Canadian version
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted October 31, 2009 09:11 AM
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RR,
I would like to send you my DaveO modded ECU for flashing the rev limiter to as high as you can reasonably set it. Is that OK? PayPal? same 821 address?
les,
To "extend" a PC3r rpm range, just load a 0's map from a bike with a higher limit?
put my map into that extended map?
It's that simple?
yeah, copy and paste the map onto an all zeros map from another bike with more rpms. i think there is a combine maps function with the power commander software that makes it easier, but i can't say for sure since its been a while.
can't say 100% if it will work on a pc3r, but that was the trick i used for my pc3usb after i had rr flash my ecu.
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posted November 01, 2009 08:30 AM
R u guys extending the rev limiter witout ne changes to the cams? Will the new pc have features for extending rev limit
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posted November 01, 2009 08:57 AM
bigM,
even if the hp curve has nosed over before the limiter, there is still a benefit to higher shift points.
But you are right, to get full advantage of an extended limiter cams, compression, pipe, porting all come into play.
My 16:1, Jim ported 1427 loves high rpm, but is currently flash limited to 12500.
Yesterday on the dyno
10-11k = 235hp
11.5 = 236
11.75 = 237
12.0 = 238
12.25 = 239
I'd like get a 13K limiter to see if it keeps gaining?????
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posted November 01, 2009 09:56 AM
Wow.
I would love to have that kind of hp, on motor.
I could do some serious crap with that.
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posted November 01, 2009 10:09 AM
hell yes ent. what about the picture i posted on removeing the rev limit to see. do you trust your self to not have one?
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posted November 01, 2009 02:20 PM
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hell yes ent. what about the picture i posted on removeing the rev limit to see. do you trust your self to not have one?
nope, i don't trust myself on flashing or notching>
I would like to have my DaveO ECU notched & rev-limit removed.
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posted November 01, 2009 05:10 PM
Well i have this ecu in my bike now and it runs good and revs higher. this sh?t is way over my head i still don't understand it. But the real test will be next sat at the test and tune my bike still wheelies bad at 6k and over mad power Rush??
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posted November 01, 2009 05:39 PM
well we can pop it in my bike to tweek it next time at the track.
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posted November 02, 2009 06:43 AM
I forgot the PM is down on this site. I don't want to get in trouble soliciting business in the forum. Anyone who has questions can contact me here
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posted November 02, 2009 06:48 AM
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... the recent availability of a low cost programmer interface rekindles interest in flashing these bikes.
RR, do You know if Psyche has added the ZX12 definition file to his programmer? I've tried to look about his program, but it only listed TL1000? Haven't found any other link than the original he posted here a week or so ago... Or do the TL1000 definitions work for flashing?
All I know about this setup is what has been posted in this thread. If I get the time I might try it out in the next couple of weeks but I'm kind of busy at the moment.
Theoretically I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work on the 12s however as the TL1000, Early Busa, and 12s all use the exact same Motorola CPU inside.
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