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2000redrocket


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posted October 26, 2009 05:28 PM        
zx12 ecu notching


first picture marking where to cut. i used a knife to not saw through the circuit board with a cutter.

second picture start cutting through.

now just start prying under your cuts upwards and crack the pices out.



now below picture is marking the other sides cut.

below pictures are the end notice the board is safe did not really touch it at all.


below picture is what is left.

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posted October 26, 2009 05:51 PM        
watch your fingers.
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2000redrocket


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posted October 26, 2009 05:52 PM        Edited By: 2000redrocket on 27 Oct 2009 01:52
later on i will get the black stuff out. i was watching a styx dvd and wanted to get this done. it is safe as long as you are ok with a knife. you will not damage the board this way unless you poke it with the screw driver.go slow drink a beer take your time. these things do not go bad as often as a powercommander and have two usable map sections.
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posted October 26, 2009 05:57 PM        
I would like my revs extended. But keep the pc.
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2000redrocket


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posted October 26, 2009 06:01 PM        
well you know if i am trying this for you you are going to run it no pc my map extended revs to see if the mad hit your bike makes is tamed out.did you get to log the hit yet to see what the afr is before the hit?
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posted October 26, 2009 06:05 PM        
tried it with the logger but hard to see afr haven plugged it into the com yet.
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2000redrocket


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posted October 26, 2009 06:09 PM        
ok.do you know no maple grove saturday? it got canceled. gene and i are going friday to cecil again. u in? i doubt the ecu will be done by then but who knows.
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posted October 26, 2009 06:12 PM        
Fuck the grove assholes
Cecil yes

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2000redrocket


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posted October 26, 2009 06:22 PM        
hell it is not even raining yet. i may go for the flee market. gene and i usually go if we get a chance.
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posted October 26, 2009 06:42 PM        
want to do mine?
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posted October 27, 2009 05:53 AM        
I have never had an issue with my Power commander, and had my ecu extended by brock.


Not sure if I would want to start hacking the ecu, unless I had a back up.
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posted October 27, 2009 09:47 AM        
What`s the advantage`s of doing this versus adding a programmer????? Can you get to more functions/program`s that you can`t get to any other way???
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posted October 27, 2009 09:58 AM        Edited By: RidgeRacer on 27 Oct 2009 18:03
Since we have exact measurements of where the plug is http://www.bikeland.info/downloads/ecu/ECU_BDM_SLOT_001.pdf

You can do a less invasive slot as opposed to a notch.





If your just going to do a one time rev limit increase then I suggest just doing the bottom slot and temporarily solder the cable to the plug pads, flash it, then remove the wires and epoxy it back up. It is a lot quicker than cleaning out the board and the solder holes and installing a plug.

I made the slot with a rotary 3/8" cutting bit for a dremel tool and a small wire brush bit.



Calipers make a good combo measuring tool and scratch awl.




Btw I add 0.125 to the 'C' dimension in the drawing to get a center line instead of an edge line




Here are the bits




I have a piece of wood bolted to the drill press table to act as a fence/guide so I can slide the ECU back and forth under the bit and get a nice straight line.




Now just slowly lower the bit as you slide the ECU back and forth. The two edge lines should go to mid bit on each side




Once you have cut through the hard shell. Switch to the wire brush and go after the chewy center. There are no components you need to worry about under the brush but don't go crazy as you could wear away the copper traces. Slow and Steady wins the race as they say.

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posted October 27, 2009 12:03 PM        
gene and i are going friday to cecil again. u in? i doubt the ecu will be done by then but who knows.


It opens at 5 right? Just like a test n tune? I might try n get one last session in before the winter myself
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posted October 27, 2009 01:47 PM        Edited By: 2000redrocket on 28 Oct 2009 00:24
yes gates open at 5pm or a bit before. we will be there. runs start at 6pm.

ridge that setup is nice. it shows that you have done a few. ridge would you like to answere stuart?
i will a little bit
stuart i know many who had issues with a pc. it died, no map save new pc and tune look at how much money there. i know NOX that there are people who have no issues at all. there has to be those people out there or powercommanders would not sell except that they are the only real choice in sort of complete tuneing.
the only reason i say sort of is the pc rpm/tps map is suspose to be a sort of over ride after the ECUs end result of all the things it looks at. it watches things that effect fueling like how fast the crank pulses are changeing for acceleration. it is looking at the map sensor which under typical driveing it is totaly running off the rpm vs cmhg map(density map) the only time is cares about tps vs rpm is when it is under a hard load.
there is timing tables for each cylinder on a tps vs rpm chart.
you get to do anything you ever want to do with your RPM limit or make it go away.
density vs the a-n map(tps vs rpm) means you can set it up to run anyway you want the afr when just driveing around and the wide open can be something totally different and be load sencing cause the bike going down hill vs up hill at same rpm uses different vacume.
the bike has a A map and a B map. we run off the B map till two wires get shorted together than it is the A map. so you can have two different tunes. yes the power commander has a gismo that lets you switch maps but how much added to the origional price? the ecu has it in now.
on newer bikes the speed issue can be turned off which allows the bike to use the correct gear map through all gears. hell i bet on the zx14 ECU ridge can find the number that you can change to get the speedo corrected in house again saveing money on extra junk to go bad and less seperat money spent to add to the list of gismoes you already payed for.
ther are lots of reasons to do it. and yes the PC has to be doing the job but in the end the ecu has to be the better way. there is a better chance ones power commander will puke than your ecu will puke.
Ridge if i forgot any other perks please fill in.
a ECU mod with a wide band logger looking at AFR, RPM and MAP is all you need to set up your bike. than with time to learn where you need to add or take away fuel you will have a nice running bike. and you did it your self. and you learned something. a dyno pull in 4th vs a logged 3rd blast over the bridge to the limiter produces the exact same afr curve. no more dyno needed for setting AFR. and the some talk about real world tune. well in gear on the street is real world.
i hope this helps. someone with race 600s gets something like 6ftlb more torque on a ecu tuned bike than a PC tuned bike proven.

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posted October 27, 2009 06:02 PM        
just wanted to say that all the tuneing i am doing is on a A1 ecu. i know they changed the numbers some and do not know how far numbers wise you can add to a 01 to 03 ecu to ritchen it up. i know RR talked about it but am not sure. hope he will talk about it here.
KZscott ask RR if he has time to do your ecu. looks like his will look better than mine.

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posted October 27, 2009 06:43 PM        
RR i just need my rev limit raised, do you have any free time this winter? (my season is over up here)
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posted October 27, 2009 09:15 PM        
RR,
a few years ago you raised the rev limit on my Y2K ECU to 12500, works great!

Q: is it possible to raise it further, say to 13000???
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posted October 28, 2009 06:03 AM        
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yes gates open at 5pm or a bit before. we will be there. runs start at 6pm.

ridge that setup is nice. it shows that you have done a few. ridge would you like to answere stuart?
i will a little bit
stuart i know many who had issues with a pc. it died, no map save new pc and tune look at how much money there. i know NOX that there are people who have no issues at all. there has to be those people out there or powercommanders would not sell except that they are the only real choice in sort of complete tuneing.
the only reason i say sort of is the pc rpm/tps map is suspose to be a sort of over ride after the ECUs end result of all the things it looks at. it watches things that effect fueling like how fast the crank pulses are changeing for acceleration. it is looking at the map sensor which under typical driveing it is totaly running off the rpm vs cmhg map(density map) the only time is cares about tps vs rpm is when it is under a hard load.
there is timing tables for each cylinder on a tps vs rpm chart.
you get to do anything you ever want to do with your RPM limit or make it go away.
density vs the a-n map(tps vs rpm) means you can set it up to run anyway you want the afr when just driveing around and the wide open can be something totally different and be load sencing cause the bike going down hill vs up hill at same rpm uses different vacume.
the bike has a A map and a B map. we run off the B map till two wires get shorted together than it is the A map. so you can have two different tunes. yes the power commander has a gismo that lets you switch maps but how much added to the origional price? the ecu has it in now.
on newer bikes the speed issue can be turned off which allows the bike to use the correct gear map through all gears. hell i bet on the zx14 ECU ridge can find the number that you can change to get the speedo corrected in house again saveing money on extra junk to go bad and less seperat money spent to add to the list of gismoes you already payed for.
ther are lots of reasons to do it. and yes the PC has to be doing the job but in the end the ecu has to be the better way. there is a better chance ones power commander will puke than your ecu will puke.
Ridge if i forgot any other perks please fill in.
a ECU mod with a wide band logger looking at AFR, RPM and MAP is all you need to set up your bike. than with time to learn where you need to add or take away fuel you will have a nice running bike. and you did it your self. and you learned something. a dyno pull in 4th vs a logged 3rd blast over the bridge to the limiter produces the exact same afr curve. no more dyno needed for setting AFR. and the some talk about real world tune. well in gear on the street is real world.
i hope this helps. someone with race 600s gets something like 6ftlb more torque on a ecu tuned bike than a PC tuned bike proven.


WOW....Thanks for the explanation....I never knew you could do so many change`s....Very good...
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posted October 28, 2009 07:04 AM        
quote:
RR,
a few years ago you raised the rev limit on my Y2K ECU to 12500, works great!

Q: is it possible to raise it further, say to 13000???


I like the way Karl thinks........
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posted October 28, 2009 07:39 AM        
quote:
RR,
a few years ago you raised the rev limit on my Y2K ECU to 12500, works great!

Q: is it possible to raise it further, say to 13000???


The software limit is 12,800.

These ECUs are 16 bit. This means the largest a number can be is 2 to the 16th power or 65,536. The RPM conversion factor is 5.12 which means the maximum RPM number the ECU can store is 65,536 / 5.12 = 12,800
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posted October 28, 2009 07:54 AM        
quote:
quote:
RR,
a few years ago you raised the rev limit on my Y2K ECU to 12500, works great!

Q: is it possible to raise it further, say to 13000???


The software limit is 12,800.

These ECUs are 16 bit. This means the largest a number can be is 2 to the 16th power or 65,536. The RPM conversion factor is 5.12 which means the maximum RPM number the ECU can store is 65,536 / 5.12 = 12,800


RR thanks for the clarification.

please excuse a dumb question, but can an ECU that has been modded by DaveO, be flashed to to raise it above 12800??

The PC3r only has cells to 13000... And You KNOW how dumb I am about flashing...


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posted October 28, 2009 08:44 AM        
Yes you can reflash a DaveO modded ECU. The DaveO mod is a clock crystal swap used to overclock the system. A 105% crystal would give you a max possible RPM of 13,440. When flashing the ECU you just have to remember to multiply your desired RPM by a correction factor before flashing it into the ECU.
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posted October 28, 2009 09:34 AM        Edited By: entropy on 29 Oct 2009 04:07
quote:
Yes you can reflash a DaveO modded ECU. The DaveO mod is a clock crystal swap used to overclock the system. A 105% crystal would give you a max possible RPM of 13,440. When flashing the ECU you just have to remember to multiply your desired RPM by a correction factor before flashing it into the ECU.


RR,
Thanks for the info! somehow this is not gelling for me; old brain & all

Do the ECU maps have the ability to control fuel/timing to 13,440?

The PC3r only has cells to 13000. hmmmmm...

Basically I want to raise my limiter as high as possible. My hp is still climbing at 12,380 (Doug Meyer 222.4mph at Loring and still gaining rpm)
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posted October 28, 2009 01:36 PM        
Very interesting.......

I forget what mine is modded up to, Brock did mine......12,200? I have my shift light set at 11,700. Wonder how much higher i can go......,
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