Hells Dark Lord
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posted November 03, 2002 11:58 PM
More Power
Hey ya'll I have a question for all you gearheads out there. I would like to get more power out of my 02 ZX12R, I have already added a full Ti Muzzy exhaust, and KN filter, a PCIII, and have ordered my timing advance. what other mods can I do to the bike without getting into the motor, and without jeapordizing the rideablility and reliability? I am not wanting to put a lot of monry into the motor right now, seeing I just talked the other half out of the money to paint it and and my helmet? (not wanting to push my luck to far ya know). I have heard about these bear stacks and do not know exactally what they are or what they do, as I am not the most mechanically inclined individual. (nor and I an english teacher as you can tell by my spelling..lol.) My biek is an everyday driver, when I dobnt have my happy ass out here in this freaking desert 7000 miles from home) I have 12000 miles on it already. Also I have heard some good and bad things on the Corbin seat??? I need a new seat and am not sure what route to go with it, any help will be greatly appreciated... Jim
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posted November 04, 2002 05:00 AM
Dry NOS kit
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posted November 04, 2002 05:22 AM
dry nos is good! but you can also try regearing it. Inexpensive and very effective.
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posted November 04, 2002 05:22 AM
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whats a dry nos kit please explain... im not a great motorcycle wrench
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posted November 04, 2002 05:33 AM
Nitrous
I am no expert but...
Dry kits inject nitrous directly into the airbox. Wet Kits mix nitrous with fuel and the mix is injected into the carbs or throttle bodies. I don't think you can run a dry kit on a carburated motor. I have also heard that you need to alter your fuel map at WOT with a dry kit to increase the amount of fuel and retard the timing.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong as I am also interested in possibly installing a dry kit.
 
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posted November 04, 2002 05:44 AM
prons and cons?????????/
DRY vs WET???????
I am thinking about The Kings NOS kit
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posted November 04, 2002 06:45 AM
Dry kits allow you to use smaller amounts of nitrous very cheaply.
Wet kits allow you to spray much more...but are significantly more expensive and harder to install.
Anytime you run nitrous you have to compensate with additional fuel...dry kits utilize the airbox temp sensor and or PC3 to add more fuel...where as wet kits spray fuel in with the nitrous to be injested by the motor.
Many people run the dry kits around 40 to 50hp with zero adverse effects provided its setup properly.
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted November 04, 2002 09:21 AM
cool guys I like the idea, any other ideas too, I am going to run a drop tooth in the front, and thought about going up 1 or 2 in the back also ....any suggestions?
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posted November 04, 2002 09:32 AM
The dry shot NOS set-up is definitely the biggest bang for the buck. If you are looking for a huge gain for short bursts it is the way to go. If you are looking to run across Texas wide open I wouldn't suggest NOS. But for around town, trips to the drags and occassional street race the dry-shot is a serious boost.
And like slow said just be sure and set it up properly.
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posted November 04, 2002 09:51 AM
NOS
What Dry kit would you recommend?
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The dry shot NOS set-up is definitely the biggest bang for the buck. If you are looking for a huge gain for short bursts it is the way to go. If you are looking to run across Texas wide open I wouldn't suggest NOS. But for around town, trips to the drags and occassional street race the dry-shot is a serious boost.
And like slow said just be sure and set it up properly.
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posted November 04, 2002 10:22 AM
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prons and cons?????????/
DRY vs WET???????
I am thinking about The Kings NOS kit
That would be a good one. Its really not hard at all to piece together yourself. I bought my dry kit used for 250 bucks. Works great. Just remember to be generous on fuel and frugal on ignition timing.
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posted November 04, 2002 10:34 AM
There really is no "Best" kit...they all come with basically the same components...price is the only changing factor. I believe Kings setup you put together yourself (parts wise) where the shnitz kit comes with everything you need.
You do save some money with Kings kit however.
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posted November 04, 2002 11:07 AM
cool, but is that going to be good for a long distance motor, I would eventually like to run a standing mile, but I am not serious about breaking 200 mph, I just want a really good strong motor that pulls all across the board, and is smooth and DEPENDABLE.
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posted November 04, 2002 11:38 AM
Im going on nearly my 40th bottle fill (2lb variety) with no issues to this point. Even upping the jet 
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posted November 04, 2002 12:10 PM
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cool, but is that going to be good for a long distance motor, I would eventually like to run a standing mile, but I am not serious about breaking 200 mph, I just want a really good strong motor that pulls all across the board, and is smooth and DEPENDABLE.
1270!!
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posted November 04, 2002 12:26 PM
Going to be a bit difficult to get a 1270 kit on the bike and stand by this comment
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what other mods can I do to the bike without getting into the motor,
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posted November 04, 2002 02:28 PM
WHat would you call a Nitrous kit where you spray directly into the throttle body "not mixed with fuel", but added fuel through the PC??
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posted November 04, 2002 02:32 PM
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WHat would you call a Nitrous kit where you spray directly into the throttle body "not mixed with fuel", but added fuel through the PC??
a blown motor......probably
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posted November 04, 2002 04:10 PM
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WHat would you call a Nitrous kit where you spray directly into the throttle body "not mixed with fuel", but added fuel through the PC??
A bolt on
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posted November 04, 2002 04:22 PM
How about venting the Crankcase Pressure to your air pump valve and making shure you seal up all the leaks in your Ram-Air system (There are ALOT!) All this is FREE H.P.
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posted November 04, 2002 07:31 PM
VINCENT
to answer your ? vincent.....
spraying directly into the injector or port is
generally considered a WET system
upstream from the injector.....dry or FOGGED
if im not mistaken KING's is a dry type..... upstream
its also compensated by the resistor that tricks the ECU into thinkin
its running a colder temp........thereby enrichening the
gas mixture.........
no less the sensors in the box are REALtime..... meaning
they measure mass air flow
since the NOS fog is upstream the sensors also compensate
in no means do i intend to piss on KING's parade
this is my understanding.....no doubt to be corrected
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posted November 04, 2002 07:42 PM
HDL
if you still want drivabilty
a big bore kit & regearing probably will do as you wish
just another idea
lots go for more HP
ends up being way up top where they seldom get to use it
unless racing
usually end up with surges & hunts
everyone has a different riding style
seems like you ride plenty
my vote.............TURBO
keep the boost down
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posted November 04, 2002 08:42 PM
make your mind up
one post you say your going to gear it for quickness then in another post you say you want to do the mile.i think we're getting yanked here boys.....killer
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posted November 04, 2002 08:59 PM
Vincent question is coming from the soon to released Bear stacks setup for NOS. If my memory serves me right.
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted November 06, 2002 10:34 AM
Thanks ya'll, I do want a bike that is quick, but at the same time plenty strong throughout the rpm range, and that is very dependable. I had thought about a stroker kit, ut the bike is under warranty and I dont want to do that. I am thinking I will stick to regearing it, adn I will check into sealing up the ram air system. I think I am gonna stay away form the NOS and the Turbo,as they are both more than I think I am looking for at this point in time, but definately worth putting away the info into the graymatter data base. Am thinking that a Timing advance, and working out the airflow through the airbox. I only run the 1/8 on a very rare occasion, only when the club goes, and with a stock bike and stock gearing, I was running a 6.88 which is nothing to impressive, but I am pretty consistant, and its fun....and that is what matters right.... Ya'll have a great day and thanks again, tis getting late here in the Kuwaiti desert and I have been out on the range for the past few days, so its time for bed, thanks fellas....
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