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posted November 12, 2001 06:36 AM
Another plane "767" Down on NY!!! WTF???
No details at this time that's all they are saying? Anyone there????
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JoshDunn
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posted November 12, 2001 07:03 AM
Heard it was an AirBus, FBI doesn't suspect anything
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posted November 12, 2001 07:08 AM
 Edited By: Ozzy on 12 Nov 2001 07:09
CNN reporting it was an Airbus that just took off from JFK, heading to the Dominican Republic, made it 5 miles from the airport. 246 passengers, 9 crew. 44 firetrucks and 200 firefighters on the crash scene.
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posted November 12, 2001 07:13 AM
I heard on the radio..
That is was an American airlines...300 series
It went down in a residential area of Queens, NY....
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posted November 12, 2001 09:03 AM
IT WAS A 767 IT LOOKS LIKE AT THIS TIME THERE IS NO FOUL PLAY . IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A MALFUNCTION AND THE ENGINE BLEW THEN FELL OFF. PROBLEM IS BOTH FELL ITO A CROWDED CITY COMMUNITY. NO OTHER DETAILS YET
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posted November 12, 2001 10:12 AM
SOYY EVERYONE YOU WERE CORRECT IT WAS AN AIRBUS 300.
ALOT OF FIRE ON THE GROUND BUT THEY ARE GETTING SITUATION UNDER CONTROL
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posted November 12, 2001 10:27 AM
strange stats on the plane (just saw a news conference) ... right engine had 270 (aprox) hours on it... left engine (one that blew up) had 9950 (or something like that) hours on it.... engine overhaul is supposed to be at 10000 hours according to AA official .... hmmmmm
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pat830
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posted November 12, 2001 10:32 AM
My wife just flew out to LA yesterday.
She called after she heard. Now she is really spooked to fly back. Even if it turns out to be a mechanical breakdown, it makes a person think twice about flying. I'll just stick to flying at ground level on the 12 for awhile.
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posted November 12, 2001 11:18 AM
Edited By: zx9r on 12 Nov 2001 11:19
you now what is weird though..... they said that one engine could fall off and the other one should be able to keep the aircraft going. How could both engines fail at the same time???? sounds a little fishy but I dont know....
I have to fly to KC from FL tommorow....shit!!!!
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posted November 12, 2001 11:36 AM
Edited By: ZX12ZX11 on 12 Nov 2001 11:40
Aircraft are designed to fly with one engine that has failed. They are not designed to fly with one of the engines missing. The engines are rather heavy and having that much weight missing from the aircraft will upset the handling to a degree that it is impossible to fly.
Just as an example hold your arms out horizontal with 20 lbs in each hand. Then drop one of the weights and see what happens.
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posted November 12, 2001 11:44 AM
Edited By: zx9r on 12 Nov 2001 11:45
that makes sence but the aviation expert on the news said "if the engine seizes, it is designed to break off and then the other engine could still support the plane"
is that an incorrect statement???
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posted November 12, 2001 12:07 PM
Edited By: ZX12ZX11 on 12 Nov 2001 12:11
All newer aircraft engines have what is called a scatter shield. Usualy made out of titanium or kevlar. It is designed to keep all moving parts from exiting out the side of the engine. Full containment should take place. The engine should not depart the aircraft.
If the engine seizes there could be enough torque to rip the engine off the wing.
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posted November 12, 2001 12:08 PM
Could be because they were gunning it during takeoff, making a turn or something...maybe the breakoff design works at steady speeds at an altitude(25k) where the control could have a chance of being brought back.
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ZX12ZX11
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posted November 12, 2001 12:20 PM
In a nut shell if an engine falls off a twin engine airliner You Are Fucked! The aerodynamic and weight loss is too great to overcome.
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posted November 12, 2001 12:27 PM
One wing was found in the bay waters.
For the wing to "break off", the wing spar would have to break. Its typically the strongest part on the air frame.
There wouldnt be nearly enough load on the spar from rotational deceleration forces to break the spar in half.
This "explosion" they are speaking of had to have damaged the wing spar. Its not a "normal" thing for an engine explosion to break the wing spar. Not that any of this is "normal".
Could the fuel cause this type of "explosion"?
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posted November 12, 2001 07:27 PM
JG...The Pilot dumped the fuel and with the engine in the condition it was in, I think the fuel ignited and we know what happens then!!!
I am 15 miles from there...Was able to see the smoke,talked to a couple of guys I know and he said that NYPD and FDNY were in disbelief that this crap happend again!!!
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posted November 13, 2001 04:50 AM
Yea it really makes people think now.
Even if it is a mechanical failure, it will hurt the industry even more. The timing couldnt be worse.
I'm not convinced that they believe what they are saying about this being a mechanical failure. I think it may be spin control for the biggest flying week of the year coming up. We'll have to wait and see.
My wife is on her way to SanDiego today. She didnt seem nervous at all.
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posted November 13, 2001 05:32 AM
Edited By: CrotchRocket on 13 Nov 2001 05:33
I know just what you are saying...Another American Airlines Flight...Another catastrophy...It seems that they keep punching thru the holes!!! I hope that I am wrong and that it was just an accident!!!
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posted November 13, 2001 05:33 AM
I have been putting off a trip to Texas. Guess I may as well get tickets now. Flying won't get much cheaper.
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posted November 13, 2001 05:36 AM
I watched a show about commercial aircraft construction and they showed a test where they has 1 million!! pounds of force pulling up on the ends of the wings before they separated from the body. They be strong.
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posted November 13, 2001 12:44 PM
Otis you must watch the "Discovery Wings" channel. I watch that channel all the time. Cool shit to say the least.
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posted November 14, 2001 07:05 AM
So, it wasnt the main wing that broke off like the early reports said.
It was the tail section.
Who knows what would cause that!
What a mess.
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