mach111
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posted October 23, 2002 12:44 AM
clutch question.
What exactly is the problem with the 00-01's clutch?springs?basket?my clutch at 7k miles feels worse each ride and i dont drag much.i wanted to go muzzy,i know its good,but dont really need all that for what i do.who has good prices for the improvement?
what needs replacing in there to make it smoother shifting and stronger?how's barnett,heard of zx6 stuff.any .02?
  
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entropy
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posted October 23, 2002 01:10 AM
The clutch question has had soooo many threads devoted to it, a search on "clutch" will return a treasure trove of info.
Basically the stock 00 clutch doesn't get enough oil and additionally is not strong enough for drag racing.
My stock 00 clutch was fine until I started getting in front of the staging lights every weekend and launching at 5000rpm. Then it was a call to Muzzy (clutch kit and billet basket) and many, many calls to Ron Ayers (clutch plates).
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TurboBlew
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posted October 23, 2002 04:20 AM
Whatever you do...STAY OEM. I would not use Barnetts..even if their clutch pack came with $500 (well may..lol)
The Muzzys kit addresses part of the oiling problem and is priced very well considering what you get. The "basket" is more insurance than anything. A billet basket is typically balanced, which the stocker is not. The stock basket can explode without much provocation, possilbly leading to damage of other parts.
Break down of costs:
Muzzy clutch-~$300
Billet basket-~$350
Labor is approximately 2-4hrs. (if done at the same time)
Piece of mind- Priceless...lol 
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psycho1122
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posted October 23, 2002 07:23 AM
Oiling IS the issue...........
Billet Basket is a MUST!
Improve oiling by having the Pusher Shaft Cross-Drilled .040 by way of EDM.
Have Stock hub PROPERLY drilled to let oil flow to the plates.
I use the Heavy springs from Schnitz w/ the STOCK fibers and drives.
Over 17,000 mi on set up w/over 200 h.p. on tap (currently) and no blueing of drives what-so-ever. Mobil-1 15w50 helps w/ shift feel.
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Phil
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posted October 23, 2002 09:49 AM
Ok psycho, I've got the clutch kit and the billet basket but still get some chatter. I also have cnc edm's, it's my job, so were do I drill the hole.
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kcadby
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posted October 23, 2002 09:58 AM
The Muzzy Kit is worth EVER PENNEY...imo...even for the street...
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moonzx12
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posted October 23, 2002 05:59 PM
do you guys replace the hub nut every time you remove it or is it reusable
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psycho1122
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posted October 23, 2002 09:31 PM
Phil, Take a small dia. Punch and check the depth of the hollow portion of the pusher. Just behind the Largest Tab (needle bearing rides on) is a gap (@.5 in). The pusher has a machined stopper tab that only allows the pusher to slide into the Input Shaft only so far. Between these two tabs on the pusher in the .5 in. gap is where you EDM Cross drill .040 in. You will see that the pusher is HOLLOW up to this point and will supply a nice spray of oil INSIDE the hub.
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mach111
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posted October 24, 2002 01:56 AM
clutch
I thought they fixed the oil cooling problem for my 01?.
i saw different part numbers in past posts for the clutch's.what exactly changed.i guess i'll go muzzy clutch kit,but do i need the basket for 01 if no dragging.or just drill the stocker?
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turboblew
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posted October 24, 2002 02:14 AM
Hahaha, keep telling yourself that. My 02 has a much better oil supply than my 00. Still the basket needs to be changed.
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I thought they fixed the oil cooling problem for my 01?.
i saw different part numbers in past posts for the clutch's.what exactly changed......
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mach111
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posted October 24, 2002 10:57 PM
1 said: buy the basket,1 said: drill holes.i'm ordering the clutch,but does the basket have to be bought at the same time?isnt there a core?if i do decide to purchase a basket,will muzzy take it modified if i dont like the outcome of the muzzy clutch and stock basket.stupid questions,but my expertise is not inside motors or behind plate covers,thats what all you bam are for.. right?!
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posted October 25, 2002 08:24 AM
 Edited By: ninja12 on 25 Oct 2002 09:27
If you drill the stock HUB and puller shaft you may not need the muzzy clutch mod kit. The kit is a good deal when you think about you get a new clutch pack and don't have to figure out what to do.
The BILLET BASKET is a must have if you want to play on the 12. Yes you have to return you basket as a core, but they only need the gear, not the basket. I only say that because many wait until they burst the original before getting a billet. Some have paid for this mistake. If you wait until you busrt the basket, the job is MUCH bigger. Rad, pipe, a oil pan must be removed to clean-up the mess "IF" you were lucky enough not to crack the cases, and clutch cover.
Your call,
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TurboBlew
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posted October 25, 2002 09:50 AM
The basket is the outer part of the clutch.
The clutch kit is the inner part of the assembly where the plates and fibers mount.
If you are going to pay to have this done, its better to do it all at once as the labor cost will be the same. To install either one, you have to disassemble the clutch. Id say its a 4hr job at worst. 2hr if they know what the heck is going on.
Hope this helps to understand.
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posted October 25, 2002 11:37 AM
TB, I would kill myself if installing a clutch took over an hour.
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posted October 25, 2002 11:45 AM
I think perhaps he meant installin the hub and basket...swappin plates is gravy 
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Phil
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posted October 27, 2002 05:31 PM
Thanks for the info psycho.
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psycho1122
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posted October 27, 2002 09:47 PM
Your Welcome..........
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