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posted October 03, 2002 08:36 AM
1320 or 1317?
Mike claims Gains of 25 to 35 Rear Wheel Horsepower in otherwise stock motors and 20 to 30 additional with headwork. Muzzy won't tell us anything.
All years ZX12R 1320cc NickaCylinders DROP-IN Kit, no machining required
Superbike Mike Engineering is extremely proud to announce these new BILLET BIG BLOCKS for the Kawasaki ZX12R featuring the latest in composite cylinder coatings. They have been developed with the largest bore possible, yet have a 3mm minimum wall thickness between each cylinder and 10mm to 12mm front and back where piston skirt loading is the highest. The displacement listed is with a STOCK STROKE crank. Stroker blocks are also available; we have a 1436cc combination with a 5mm stroker that makes over 230 RwHp. Smaller bores are also available. This new cylinder wall coating is far stronger than cast iron sleeves and is very similar to that found in many of the new OEM engines.
The trickest thing is that the block drops into the stock cases as is! No case boring or clean-up of any kind is needed! OEM gaskets are also CNC machined to precisely match the big bores and offer the best possible seal in these water-cooled motors. Gains of 25 to 35 Rear Wheel Horsepower are available in otherwise stock motors and 20 to 30 additional with headwork.
The blocks are available in either water-cooled street blocks or solid, dry race-only blocks. The wet blocks are 98% streetable and run about the same temps as stock with our JE pistons at 12.95:1CR, other compression ratios are available. Also available is the 1050cc Nickacylinder Kit for the ZX9R.
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Muzzys ZX12R 1317cc
It's been said that there's no substitute for cubic inches (or cc's!). You can now add those cc's to your ZX-12R with the Muzzys Billet Big Block for the 12. This fully liquid cooled 87 mm block is machined from billet and finished with tough nickel silicon carbide plated bores. Put it on top of a stock crank and you have a 1317, add a welded stroker as used in the Muzzys 1361 kit and you've got a 1412. If you want to get into NHRA Pro Stock territory, add the Muzzys 60mm Billet crank and you've got a 1427 cc monster. This cylinder kit comes complete with forged pistons, rings and gaskets. Compression (13:1 base) will vary with stroke and combustion chamber size. Some minor upper case clearancing is required. For "drag racing only" applications a "dry" non cooled version is also available.
P/N 0007-00041 Liquid cooled
MSRP $2849.95
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MSRP $2495.95
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dougmeyer
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posted October 03, 2002 12:36 PM
Mega,
The following is a copy of my post from yesterday in the topic where you asked for the numbers:
"Mega,
The reason you have not been able to get any hp numbers on the 1317 "kit" is because it is not a "kit" it's a "combination", one of several that can be built using our components. I don't know that anyone has built an engine based on that configuration. It would be an intersting experiment, but the ultimate outcome would be based not only on the displacement but also on the compression, head flow, cam, timing, etc. that the builder chose.
You need to look at the comments from the 1270 and 1361 owners and draw your own conclusions. Always remember though, that each guy builds his engine a little differently. The numbers we publish are basic test results of our engine on our dyno. In many cases (Psycho, Cliff Randall,Entropy, etc) the results are BETTER than ours because the builder spends MANY hours optimizing their particular combination.
Doug "
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posted October 03, 2002 01:06 PM
"20 to 30 hp" more from headwork? I'd like to see that! 
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Megabyte
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posted October 03, 2002 03:31 PM
I'll volunteer my bike to be the "first prototype" of a 1317 on a stock crank.
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Mega,
The following is a copy of my post from yesterday in the topic where you asked for the numbers:
"Mega,
The reason you have not been able to get any hp numbers on the 1317 "kit" is because it is not a "kit" it's a "combination", one of several that can be built using our components. I don't know that anyone has built an engine based on that configuration. It would be an intersting experiment, but the ultimate outcome would be based not only on the displacement but also on the compression, head flow, cam, timing, etc. that the builder chose.
You need to look at the comments from the 1270 and 1361 owners and draw your own conclusions. Always remember though, that each guy builds his engine a little differently. The numbers we publish are basic test results of our engine on our dyno. In many cases (Psycho, Cliff Randall,Entropy, etc) the results are BETTER than ours because the builder spends MANY hours optimizing their particular combination.
Doug "
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posted October 03, 2002 08:40 PM
20 to 30 horsepower from head work? Sounds like a helluva sales pitch. afew horsepower yes, but not 20.
The Muzzy 1270 and 1361 lits are no brainers. Hard to argue with their track record and reliabilty.
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posted October 04, 2002 11:05 AM
The numbers we publish are basic test results of our engine on our dyno. In many cases (Psycho, Cliff Randall,Entropy, etc) the results are BETTER than ours because the builder spends MANY hours optimizing their particular combination.
Doug "
Interesting, but didn't you mean to say that most folks numbers are "LOWER" and the results "WORSE" than yours!!!
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dougmeyer
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posted October 04, 2002 12:37 PM
No, I meant better. Because, an owner who has only one combination/engine to work on can spend hours week after week, maybe over a period of months, trying, testing, and optimizing. We realisticaly can't do that. We must R&D to a point within reason, call it good, and move on to another project.
Maybe I should have said that although some are lower, most meet our numbers and many are higher for that reason.
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posted October 04, 2002 01:51 PM
How about my offer to use my bike as a prototype  Not trying to be difficult, but no one I've asked has ever seen 210 HP from your 1361 Kit, and I have asked alot of people?
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No, I meant better. Because, an owner who has only one combination/engine to work on can spend hours week after week, maybe over a period of months, trying, testing, and optimizing. We realisticaly can't do that. We must R&D to a point within reason, call it good, and move on to another project.
Maybe I should have said that although some are lower, most meet our numbers and many are higher for that reason.
Doug
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posted October 05, 2002 06:24 AM
Welcome to the real world Mega! I have no problems with the 1361 kit "generally" getting around 190-195hp. I have no problem with the 1270 realistically getting around 180hp(with pipe). With a zx12, however those numbers will produce faster times than a equally "dynoed" busa. Remeber, a 1270 is still smaller than a stock busa. Something MAGNIFICANT happens with these bikes once you are on the street!!! But, that extra something is NOT currently being measured except with time slips and mph!!! Stock zx12's can potentially get 150mph in the 1/4. Someone here has done that....if i remember correctly. You have to really build a busa to get that mph. That says that the motor is making more hp on the track than the bike is on the dyno.
I just wish that Kawasaki would have given us a 3D inch in the motor. Just one 3D inch and that would be enough.
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posted October 05, 2002 10:13 AM
Mega,
couldn't care less about what the dyno says except for before & after mods for comparisons. Last 2 times to the track I have been getting up to 156.66 mph on my stroker 12 w/nutec; 755 pound combo, and weather is still hi 80's hi humidity, lo air pressure.
I have noticed the difference between Muzzy's dyno numbers and mine, but chalk it up to their weather and dyno. I do NOT whatsoever feel that Muzzy is inflating their hp numbers.
My bike kicks butt is all I know. Now if I can just learn to yank that stump outa the hole more consistently...
You'd do well to pay attention to ra12r, IMO he is telling it like it is.
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posted October 06, 2002 09:37 AM
Notice in the other thread that ZHooligan quotes 209 with his 1361.....
They are out there.
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posted October 06, 2002 10:08 AM
Thanks Doug.... I beleive there is a tad bit (*maybe 1 or 2 hp) more with some last minute fine tuning. The clutch was giving up it's life. So we couldn't finish up the last bit of tuning.
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posted October 06, 2002 09:49 PM
I saw ZH's post after I had written mine, and am eatting humble pie. I'll be taking my bike to MVR for a 1361 upgrade as soon as I can come up with the cash.
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Notice in the other thread that ZHooligan quotes 209 with his 1361.....
They are out there.
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posted October 09, 2002 02:27 PM
What is the best set up for NOS, Stock with forged pistons or big & higher compression?
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posted October 09, 2002 06:49 PM
I would say a lot of the answer for this is what you are trying to accomplish. If you are looking for the 20 seconds or less (20 seconds seems scarey to me) NOS surge in horsepower then go stock with NOS pistons. If you are looking for kick the shit out of pretty much everyone else all of the time with an occasional need for the extra NOS hit, go big with higher compression.
My stroker puts a grin on me pretty much every minute of the ride. The NOS gives me a grin 5 to 7 seconds in a whack every once and awhile. Of course NOS is a cheap mod compare to the 1361 kit plus installation.
My 2 cents worth.
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posted October 09, 2002 08:35 PM
I am looking for the best Drag racing set-up. I ride on Sundays and that about it, so I want to kick to blank out of everyone on the track.
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