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posted March 31, 2009 03:51 AM
So, I've got a Muzzy lockup and hub
I'm a little unsure about the air gap - using all 2mm steels it comes out at around 2.5mm - so whats the effect if the air gap is bigger or smaller and anybody have an idea about a target setting for the air gap. Nox, i know you know but I'm not expecting the "knowledge". Ha Ha, Its a pity someone doesn't stamp out some 2.2 or 2.4mm steels to make adjustment easier without going back to two thin steels, 1.e 1.4 or 1.6mm's. Keith
  
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posted March 31, 2009 09:18 AM
air gap = clearance between the arms and pressure plate?
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posted March 31, 2009 11:20 PM
That's the one Scott. Trying to work out how it affects the launch. Keith
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posted April 01, 2009 08:39 PM
i just stack steels, but it would be nice to have 1.8s and 2.2s. i run mostly 2.0s and a mix of 1.6s to get that clearance right. on the MTC lock up I beleive the clearance range is 2.54mm to 3.175.(going from memory i think its .100 to .125in) i aim for the middle. its easy to see how much your stack height changes (wears) as the clearance gets smaller
i dont think it affects the launch so much as about 15 feet out and on. Nox may correct me if im wrong, but i would think more clearance would let the arms move further outward and create more clamping force as the "circle" the tip of the arm makes would be bigger
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted April 05, 2009 08:20 AM
Well ran my first meeting of the season yesterday using my lightest clutch springs and no weight on the arms. Best run was 9.26/157 with 1.633 60' and 122.8 at 330'. For a change the bike didn't go skyward when i dropped the clutch but did start to climb upwards about 40 feet from the line. Couple of times I had to back off to get the front down. Did a 9.29 with 126.4 at 330' also. I'm getting some lighter still springs made up which I hope to get soon to try. Gonna pull the clutch and check the airgap this week and see how the plates are holding up with no weight on. Cheers for now, Keith.
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posted April 05, 2009 09:59 AM
40 feet out. you have too much weight on it still(arms count as weight). you were running 6 bare arms right?
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted April 05, 2009 04:34 PM
I just ran mine last night after switching it back to my track setup...Boy these things leave SOOO sweet when you get them right...First pass I kindA half through out the lever, 1.52 60`(Way to much slip)...2nd pass I though it out at 7200 and she came out really nice, no spin , no front wheel lift....1.43 60`...Stock motor,68" w/b....6.23 1/8 mile.@ 115 mph....
Keep playin with your`s , you`ll get it....Good luck with it....
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posted April 05, 2009 06:44 PM
your mph is low Paul, are you at a really high elevation? I was getting pretty consistant 119s in the 1/8 with a stock motor on pump gas in 07.
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 06, 2009 05:26 AM
Ditto that......
Paul, I was running 122 mph and 123 last year.......
you dont a leak down latley.......
Nice 60. I finally got mine back in the 1.3s again, these wheels are giving me fits......, different cush drive......
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posted April 06, 2009 06:19 AM
Yes, six bare arms Scott. Didn't tell you, first run of the year, coldish track, launched as 7k, dropped the clutch bike went violently to the left then the same to the right with a big jerk and shed the chain. Still had enough impetus to get me to the end of the strip freewheeling! Luckily the chain was OK and after refitting went out and ran a string of low nines. Commentator said not bad for a guy qualified for a bus pass. Ha Ha.
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posted April 06, 2009 06:24 AM
Ya, I don`t know what it is....Bike only has 9000 miles on it....I weigh 190 without leathers....It was hot as hell...Isn`t 6.20`s a normal e/t for a stock zx12????I`m shifting at 10,500....I tried higher but feels like it drops off after that....seat of the pants....It never even dino`d very high numbers either...160 hp w.85 lbs torque...Never had a valve adj. yet...Looking to pull the motor for trans work...Might be the time to check it out fully...It just runs so good, no smoke ,smooth idle, no noises....Runs on the topend are good too....When it`s cool and the weather is just right it will run more mph 118 119....It was hot an humid here in fl...
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posted April 06, 2009 10:40 AM
yikes! better keep a closer eye on the chain! i run an EK ZZZ 11000 pounds tensile strength. try less weight, 6 bare arms are a lot. make sure its ballanced.
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 06, 2009 10:56 AM
quote:
Well ran my first meeting of the season yesterday using my lightest clutch springs and no weight on the arms. Best run was 9.26/157 with 1.633 60' and 122.8 at 330'. For a change the bike didn't go skyward when i dropped the clutch but did start to climb upwards about 40 feet from the line. Couple of times I had to back off to get the front down. Did a 9.29 with 126.4 at 330' also. I'm getting some lighter still springs made up which I hope to get soon to try. Gonna pull the clutch and check the airgap this week and see how the plates are holding up with no weight on. Cheers for now, Keith.
How much motor are you running, or how much N2o....You`ll get faster as soon as your work with the lock up more....
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posted April 07, 2009 07:16 AM
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Ya, I don`t know what it is....Bike only has 9000 miles on it....I weigh 190 without leathers....It was hot as hell...Isn`t 6.20`s a normal e/t for a stock zx12????I`m shifting at 10,500....I tried higher but feels like it drops off after that....seat of the pants....It never even dino`d very high numbers either...160 hp w.85 lbs torque...Never had a valve adj. yet...Looking to pull the motor for trans work...Might be the time to check it out fully...It just runs so good, no smoke ,smooth idle, no noises....Runs on the topend are good too....When it`s cool and the weather is just right it will run more mph 118 119....It was hot an humid here in fl...
Well, your weight is part of it.......
With stock wheels, etc, I ran quicker,but, you got that humidity, and dont you run pump gas? lots of little things add up. Good sixty though, just heavy package I assume.
My best stock motor, bars no pc, no pipe, was 5.72. 5.80 with stock wheels, no bars, mcr, and shinko, ran a 5.80 on both. You do not want to know where I shift quite a bit higher than that......, run u4.2, 5w20 amsoil dominator, etc. I ran 123 mph a couple weeks ago.
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posted April 07, 2009 07:18 AM
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Well ran my first meeting of the season yesterday using my lightest clutch springs and no weight on the arms. Best run was 9.26/157 with 1.633 60' and 122.8 at 330'. For a change the bike didn't go skyward when i dropped the clutch but did start to climb upwards about 40 feet from the line. Couple of times I had to back off to get the front down. Did a 9.29 with 126.4 at 330' also. I'm getting some lighter still springs made up which I hope to get soon to try. Gonna pull the clutch and check the airgap this week and see how the plates are holding up with no weight on. Cheers for now, Keith.
How much motor are you running, or how much N2o....You`ll get faster as soon as your work with the lock up more....
Yeah, sounds like the clutch is pretty off.......
157, you are 3 to 4 tenths off, easy
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posted April 07, 2009 07:41 AM
Stock 1199 motor with Carillos and JE 13:1 pistons, 70 shot. 67" wheelbase and coincidentally 67" tall, 172 lbs nakid. Running 17/50 gearing with MT S/S tyre.
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posted April 07, 2009 07:43 AM
Sorry forgot, gas is progressive and was set to 30% start with 2.5 seconds build time to full hit on Saturday meet.
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posted April 07, 2009 10:37 AM
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Cool, nice engine setup....
Mine see`s alot of street riding so I can`t go full out racing package like NOX.....
And I have got heavier over the past few years....No weight off the bike.....17/52, no custom mapping....Just ALL the bolt on stuff....Valvecover never off, oil pan never off either....
But you got that bike going good, just work a little more with the L/U and your there....
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posted April 10, 2009 05:25 AM
stuart i think you will pick up shifting at 12000 on tach. 12,200 is where my limiter is stock. the tach is off quite a bit. you are short shifting it. i added 300 to my limit and now shift at 12,500 or lower. only issue is when i ride tshults 00 12r i have to tell my self to shift at 12,000. i need to hook him up with a opened up ecu.
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posted April 10, 2009 06:52 AM
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stuart i think you will pick up shifting at 12000 on tach. 12,200 is where my limiter is stock. the tach is off quite a bit. you are short shifting it. i added 300 to my limit and now shift at 12,500 or lower. only issue is when i ride tshults 00 12r i have to tell my self to shift at 12,000. i need to hook him up with a opened up ecu.
I`ll give that a try....You may be on to something....I`m so used to racing the older KZ`s that shift at 10,000 most of the time....But I`ll check it out....
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posted April 10, 2009 10:40 AM
I've got my shift light set at 10,500 but by the time it comes on and I do something about it the logs show me shifthing 10800-11000. Ha Ha
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posted April 10, 2009 01:37 PM
most of the guys i know with bikes that thought a shift light was a good idea do not use it anymore. they watch the tach and then you are seeing you are getting close then shift now. instead of o shit the light is on and you are not thinking about it. just what i noticed. get a air shifter and have the light turn on a relay and use that for a auto shift and just pin it.
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posted April 11, 2009 01:10 AM
That would be classed as cheating and against drag racing rules over here. Not that it hasn't been done I suppose!
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posted April 11, 2009 04:23 AM
i know they sell modules to auto shift. i guess you need to check the rules. just seeing the tach getting close to redline has to be better for anticipation of a shift then nothing at all then bam the light is on. i do not use the lite in my car.
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posted April 11, 2009 09:29 AM
i tried a shift light. i do better watching the tach.
as for the auto shift: one thing i was told my first season racing involving that stuff, "its only cheating if you get caught." funny, cuz this is the same guy that ended up winning a lot of races....
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