Chango
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posted December 03, 2008 11:03 PM
Road a 14!! I have suggestion for a 2010 ZX12!
O.K. I road a ZX14! That is a great bike! Power, handling, Ride position etc.... if you ask me it has ever thing over the 12! However it seems some how to have much bigger in feeling! I would compare and contrast it to my friends ZX10 and my 12 . As a matter of fact I dare say it reminds me more of ZZR comfort! I had to keep saying to myself "I love my 12" But then I concidered the fact that I only gave $700 for my 12 and a new $14 plus insurance would put me in the celler of the poor house! LOL!
With that being said I had a idea for Kawi. Why not make a new 12 with the simular sexy look as the 12 but with the new ZX10 technology as well as some of the 14's goodies. This would be a great mid choice for us Kawi fans that would be somewere in the middle. LOL calling all photo shop artist. What would it look like? LOL!
just a random and strange thought!
  
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KZScott
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posted December 03, 2008 11:23 PM
it would look a lot like the 00 01 style 12R with some slight 10R looks(gotta keep the ram air scoop of the early 12), have a 1200cc motor with the same general specs as the 12R, but with much larger bore spacing (capable of going 1600+ cc with a piston kit and 4mm stroker). it would have a 14 sized clutch, but with the 6 spring design (to make a better platform for tuning a lock up). it should have a tunable ecu, with map switch features(makes dry nitrous a snap). and the total weight should be similar to a new 10R (maybe a bit more due to the bigger motor). the frame/ air box should be sealed well enough to handle 30 psi of boost. just incase you want to put a turbo on it.
Kawi are you listening?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Megabyte
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posted December 04, 2008 08:47 PM
What gets me is big K knows how to build a sexy bike, so why did they build the 14 so ...well you know. If they had kept the basic design of the 12, the 14 would have been a real winner.
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Phantom13
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posted December 06, 2008 09:54 PM
quote:
it would look a lot like the 00 01 style 12R with some slight 10R looks(gotta keep the ram air scoop of the early 12), have a 1200cc motor with the same general specs as the 12R, but with much larger bore spacing (capable of going 1600+ cc with a piston kit and 4mm stroker). it would have a 14 sized clutch, but with the 6 spring design (to make a better platform for tuning a lock up). it should have a tunable ecu, with map switch features(makes dry nitrous a snap). and the total weight should be similar to a new 10R (maybe a bit more due to the bigger motor). the frame/ air box should be sealed well enough to handle 30 psi of boost. just incase you want to put a turbo on it.
Kawi are you listening?
Perfect, but displacement wouldn't be a huge concern with such a bike. I think with today's technology, you could put stock titanium valves and single valve springs and a higher rev limiter that would make use of a good set of cams, much like the trend of the latest 1000's.
If you could drop 50lb's off the current 12R, add 10rwhp via bigger cams/more rpm, compression bump to 12.7:1, and tweek the aero's... it would probably run right there with the current stock 14's and Gen 2 Busa's.
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KZScott
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posted December 07, 2008 05:08 AM
yeah but why not go for the top of the 1650 class too? 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Phantom13
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posted December 07, 2008 07:31 AM
Because the 12R doesn't have the aerodynamics to compete with the Busa at 215-220+mph. At those speeds, you're either on a busa or behind one. So unless a new 12R design came with Busa-esque bodywork and height.... the 12's aero handicap will increase as the speeds go up.
Keeping it a "light heavyweight" (no bigger than 1350cc) is where a 12R would be most effective, IMHO.
Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven, right? lol
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Chango
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posted December 07, 2008 09:04 AM
But once again the aerodynamics of the busa would miss the point. The busa is but ugly and so isn't the 14! Of course when one realizes that's what it takes to go 215-220 mph people seem to adjust thier taste. Maybe I've gotten old but I'm more then happy with 150 and etc... that I get already!
The point of a new 12 for me would be to have a bike that is larger then the 10'S but smaller then the busa and the 14. It would be cool to see how they would make slight changes on that 12 design that we all love!
The 14 has it's place and nothing Kaw can put out can compete with it there (for now) The busa is king at the moment. I think Kaw should just go ahead with a 1600! LOL!
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KZScott
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posted December 07, 2008 11:07 AM
they could change the front a bit for better aeros without making it too ugly. the tail could use some work. maybe a bit of a change as long as its not too busa-ish maybe an optional "hump" instead of a regular cowl for the rear seat. you might want to try something like that Mike. you could leave the tail the same and just have the hump cover the rest for a nice downward sloping tail
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Phantom13
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posted December 07, 2008 04:25 PM
I've been toying with that idea for a while now, maybe I'll get around to actually making it and testing it for next year. If you see it in pictures of me at Maxton in 09, you'll know it worked. lol
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posted December 07, 2008 08:30 PM
The argument has always been that the ZX-12R has the better more powerful engine, but the Hayabusa has the better aerodynamics. Imagine if you could combine the two...
Well following an incident with some timing boards Mr C found himself with a strong ZX-12R with battered fairings and clearly too much time on his hands. Combine this with John ‘it’ll be a laugh’ Dynostar, a busa bodykit and and rather nasty flourescent paint and the Kawabugly was born.
With a busa bodykit bodged on to a powerful 12R, great things were expected, should it hold together.
The reality was a bit of a let down really as the tank height/seat height etc were all compromised. But in its brief life the Kawabugly managed a credible if not earth-shattering speed.
http://www.200-mph.info/200mph_Records/Stories/9AA91828-9E87-4EE2-9A17-355D3629C924.html
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KZScott
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posted December 08, 2008 01:44 AM
i really doubt the ram air was working well on that....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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drjohnzx10
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posted March 29, 2009 08:33 PM
i agree with scott except for the ram air that should be more like the 10 so you can get the bike lower
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KZScott
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posted March 29, 2009 09:24 PM
but the air scoop on the 00 and 01 is so pretty!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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