canadian mike
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posted October 25, 2008 05:32 AM
upgrading and have some questions...
hi,i have a 01 zx12...mods are bmc race,full muzzy,pc3r,emission stuff removed...
i had it on the dyno,made 169 hp,then 216 with a muzzy dry spray bar...
after the first spray run,(13 AFR),it deveoped a rod noise,so hence apart it comes..
while its apart im going to send the trans to FBG to get cut,and was thinking on doing the muzzy 1270 kit,and muzzy adj cam gears...along with new crank if needed,and rods,and all new bearings..with a slight clean up of the head,nothing fancy..
what do you guys think with doing the mods i listed,should i expect for power??
just trying to see if the $$$ is worth it...
bike is MINT,and dont want to part it,as i love riding it...
thanks,Mike
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posted October 25, 2008 08:14 AM
when you pulled it apart what did you find
did you really thrash a rod........that would have been evident by tthe
condition of the bearings. 216hp should NOT have thrashed a rod
when pulling an engine down there is much evidence available.
no need trying to make more than 216 HP when 216 kicked your butt.
best to know where you stand & why b4 tryin to get more
good luck
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canadian mike
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posted October 25, 2008 08:25 AM
a rod bearing went,yes..
not a broken rod..everything else looked fine,had the little bit of bearing matl in the oil etc..
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posted October 25, 2008 12:25 PM
many have gotten 40 extra horse with a dry kit, so 216 is not wild hp.
a good gain but not extreme by any measure. if you bounce off the limiter
or get intermittent spray in a cylinder (sometimes toooooo much... sometimes tooooo little)
what you experienced can be the results. good luck on your build up.
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canadian mike
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posted October 25, 2008 01:55 PM
ok,thanks..so getting back to the orignal question..what kinda power,on motor alone does the 1270 usually give,with my above mods listed...???
anyone running the set up?????
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posted October 25, 2008 04:43 PM
Folks,those numbers were with a.030 jet,1 lb. bottle. I think that's pretty extraordinary.
Just a guess Mike 185 ish ?
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posted October 25, 2008 06:03 PM
Don't forget to change the oil pump.
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posted October 25, 2008 07:04 PM
when you get it back together, tune it for 12.5:1 AFR when running a dry shot like that. a normal 1270 should get 180-190 std hp(muzzy advertises 190). dont use FBG, send it to R&N Motorsports in FL. talk to Mark. a crank can be fixed by marine. if its bad, you might aswell get them to stroke it too, since you are allready getting the adjustable cam sprockets, the only thing extra you would need is the base spacer. a 1270 piston kit plus the 4.6mm crank = 1375
http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/
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canadian mike
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posted October 25, 2008 07:40 PM
it is a daily driver,i dont want the stroked crank....
why dont you like FBG??? one of the best in the biz...
a friend has a micropolished and balanced stock crank,so im ok there...
i was basicly just looking for 1270 kit power numbers on the same set up ill be running...
this is a stock wheelbase bike,that i ride to work,then go drag it friday nights for street night at the drag strip....
marine does do great work,yes sir....
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posted October 26, 2008 03:17 PM
Call R&D. talk to Mark. ask specifically about the cutter size they use for the back cut. they use smaller ones which is more costly for them, and takes more time, but the end result is a lot less material removed from the gear which makes it much stronger than what other guys do
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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canadian mike
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posted October 26, 2008 03:41 PM
thanks for the tip,ill look into that....
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posted October 27, 2008 03:01 AM
no ne else runs this 1270 kit?????????
125 views and little response...
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posted October 27, 2008 03:03 AM
theres been quite a few guys with the 1270 kit. i run a 1287. not much difference
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted October 27, 2008 05:23 AM
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when you get it back together, tune it for 12.5:1 AFR when running a dry shot like that. a normal 1270 should get 180-190 std hp(muzzy advertises 190). dont use FBG, send it to R&N Motorsports in FL. talk to Mark. a crank can be fixed by marine. if its bad, you might aswell get them to stroke it too, since you are allready getting the adjustable cam sprockets, the only thing extra you would need is the base spacer. a 1270 piston kit plus the 4.6mm crank = 1375
http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/
scott, i think you mean R&D???
"Mark Doucette, R&D Motorsports 727 447 4552 9-6, M-Th, EST: 1632 N Hercules Ave Bldg G, Clearwater, FL 33765
r-dmotorsports.com
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posted October 27, 2008 08:33 AM
Can't you fellas run just about anything in Canada without overheating!
I think 1270 or 1290 would be great! Or just pick up some bearings and go with it!
Stock is still good! If you have deep pockets, 1427! An easy 215-220HP, no bottle to fill.
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posted October 27, 2008 11:16 AM
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Can't you fellas run just about anything in Canada without overheating!
I think 1270 or 1290 would be great! Or just pick up some bearings and go with it!
Stock is still good! If you have deep pockets, 1427! An easy 215-220HP, no bottle to fill.
"1427! An easy 215-220HP..."
bahahahahahahahahahaah 
nothing easy about 215-220...
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posted October 27, 2008 02:49 PM
On Karl's work bench it's just an overnight throw together job! You should see him when he is serious!
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canadian mike
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posted October 27, 2008 04:23 PM
i still want to use the dry shot,so im thinking the 1270...
it IS stock height and wheelbase....
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posted October 28, 2008 04:24 AM
yes Karl, R&D (typo) srry for any confusion :oops
you can spray a big stroker, or a 1287 too. after i figure out my problem with my motor ( i think a charging issue was the root of it) ill be stepping up the jets in the fogger system for next season. 60 worked great, gonna try 80
no over heating problems to date. even on full nitrous passes. i have a muzzy fan on a manual switch, but i think the biggest thing was getting ALL the air out of the system.
just something to watch for. i had to fill my 2 pound bottle after every pass. i used about a pound every time, and even if half a bottle is up to pressure, it wont hold pressue for the full pass... not even half a pass. every time i tried to get 2 runs out of a bottle i was down on mid mph (compared to another nitrous pass) and way down on mph at the big end. im switching to a 5 pound bottle and mounting it on the swingarm. hopefully that will let me get 2 runs out of a bottle lol (no fast n the furious comments plz)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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