Crazi
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posted October 11, 2008 05:04 PM
Moly in Oil...
Ok I am putting on my flame suit as I post this but I have been conducting a super secret test for the past two or so years or so and I figure no sense keeping it to myself any longer. I can't guarantee anything about it other than I never had to change the clutch or motor in either of my bikes and they both made at least what was expected power wise.
I ordered a small tub of powdered Moly a LONG time ago just out of curiousity when I first discovered how well it worked with firearms applications and then extended it to regular mountain bike applications and then one day got a weird idea and stuck about a spoon full in 5 quarts of oil and then poured in in my car at the time. Worked fine and no adverse effects. So fast forward to about two years ago and I decided to try a 1/4 spoonful in my old bike. Rode around cautiously at first expecting the clutch to self destruct or whatever and it never did... Then moved up to about 1/2 a teaspoon for the next oil change. Nothing happened... Not that oil change or the ones that followed for the next 10K miles.
So I get the 12 and I think well, it couldn't hurt. So I do the same thing (1/2 teaspoon) and here I am 13k miles later with the same clutch that was in the bike when I got it and I am assuming it's the stock one. The last two oil changes had a bottle of STP oil treatment added in (but not overfilled) for a dose of zinc with the Moly. Bike now has 24k on it and as far as I can tell, runs fine. Well other than the occasional liter bike show down (the bike and I are on a diet as we speak).
Point of all this... The talk of Moly being bad for clutches and whatever else in the bike is bull.
Thoughts are welcome and my flame suit is on... 
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Also posted this on Kawasakiworld.com but wanted to get thoughts from you guys as well.
  
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dougmeyer
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posted October 12, 2008 10:14 AM
All through the 70's and early 80's I had a Kal Gard sponsorship for my Bonneville stuff. Kal Gard (later puchased by Lockhart, I think, and then resurected a few years ago) was a Southern CA company founded by some aerospace coating and lube guys who were into motorsports. They were pretty cutting edge with the dry Moly and ceramic coatings that are much more evolved and common now. That grey stuff you are now finding on OEM pistons is dry moly. In fact, I still have a quart of Kal Gard Piston Kote, that I airbrush onto my pistons and bake in the kitchen oven.
Their Kal GArd oil was VERY heavy with moly. In fact, when you disassembled your engines there would be moly paste that had settled out in the corners of the sump. I was always very pleased with the performance of this oil and kind of considered it one of my "speed secrets".
Prior to all that when my job was building race engines, we used moly paste liberally on lifters, rocker pads, rod bolt washers, etc.to protect during intial statrup.
However, t his was all pre-synthetic oil days, and in my opinion the newer oils are far superior to this interim step in lube development.
Despite this, I still use straight Moly Grease often during my assemblies.
You won't get any arguments from me, I think it's great stuff, but the modern oils don't really need any help. I will continue to coat my piston skirts until I run out of Piston Kote (I think I have a lifetime supply.....)
Doug
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posted October 12, 2008 11:24 AM
franz should be able to answer this... I'll make sure he sees this post...
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NOX
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posted October 13, 2008 05:57 AM
Moly is in RP racing oil.
I ran it for a long time. over 900 passes on one set of clutches.......
This has been covered in the past............, BUT
Dodge had some issues with turbos getting the oil so hot, the moly turned to graphite, (or something along those lines), and tore up some turbo motors........, so dodge does not recommend RP in thier turbo motors..........
That is one of the reasons I switched to AMSOIL.
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posted October 14, 2008 10:02 AM
ive used the kalgard moly oil additive
great stuff
NO problems to date
never had clutch problems with it or synthethics
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VincentHill
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posted October 14, 2008 02:18 PM
Dam Doug! You took all I wanted to say about Kal-Gard except that when they decided to make their Own Oil they used the Same basic formula as Kendall GT1. Also you could see a build up of the Mollly on the Friction Plates but it never seemed to hurt the Friction!
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dougmeyer
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posted October 15, 2008 09:54 AM
Vince-
No, no clutch trouble. I think back when we were running 150 hp air cooled engines it was stuff like the moly that kept all the parts from hating each other. We were really at the limits of what we could get away with. I saw oil temps over 300 degrees on more than one occasion. You?
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VincentHill
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posted October 15, 2008 12:34 PM
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Vince-
No, no clutch trouble. I think back when we were running 150 hp air cooled engines it was stuff like the moly that kept all the parts from hating each other. We were really at the limits of what we could get away with. I saw oil temps over 300 degrees on more than one occasion. You?
I never used an Oil Temp gauge (I really did not want to Know!) I did Kal-Gard all of the external parts and drilled holes in the Head and Cylinder Fins for more air flow! I also used the Piston Kote. I can still remember the SMELL of that stuff baking in the Oven and having all of the doors of the house open during the Winter time! Remember I was one of the few that had the Lochart Oil Cooler mounted in the Raised tail section so that the long lines and cooler not mounted in FRONT of the engine also kept things cooler.
Remember the Trap Door in the Oil pan to stop the oil from going to the back of the pan? I remember Rob hating the EI-Blue Magnuns but making a lot of HP. Pappy Edmonds put main Jets in mine and I had the set with the 36 tapered to 31 back to 34 MM and the 1 cable Lift Slide arrangement.
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posted October 15, 2008 03:17 PM
"moly" can be applied to piston skirts as a coating and has performed admirably
no less it has very few negatives, as far as "coking" inside of diesel engines
the temperarure paremetres for moly exceed anything else you can put in any engine
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posted October 15, 2008 04:25 PM
I am sure it was from some fool dragging a 50 ft car hauler over the smoky mountains at 80mph with his foot on the floor or something........
I gained et with the AMSOIL over RP, so I love it.
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