baltimore410
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posted July 16, 2008 08:07 PM
mr.turbo kits 4 zx12
been doing an alot of turbo kit research and it seem like the only reasonable kit out is mr.turbo's there are alot of other kits out but they want u to drop ya bike off and they do it for u....i rather do the work myself being i get more gradification out of doing my own work on anything pertaining to cars and bikes .....not to mention im a mechanic so it couldnt be any diffacult than the things i run across over here in iraq.....ow yeah im a soldier in the u.s. army currently deployed over here in the lovely lands of iraq
   
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lowflyer
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posted July 19, 2008 08:29 AM
I live in Houston and have a Mr. Turbo kit on a 12. Terry has been great to work with, and I did the install myself. It is an easy install, but be forewarned! The kit is just the beginning! You will spend more than you ever thought, but it is fun. You will need a power commander and a lockup clutch at minimum. I added pistons, wrist pins, valve springs, studs, stretched swingarm, chain, gears, upgraded trans, etc. etc....
BTW, Thanks for your service!!
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entropy
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posted July 19, 2008 11:51 AM
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I live in Houston and have a Mr. Turbo kit on a 12. Terry has been great to work with, and I did the install myself. It is an easy install, but be forewarned! The kit is just the beginning! You will spend more than you ever thought, but it is fun. You will need a power commander and a lockup clutch at minimum. I added pistons, wrist pins, valve springs, studs, stretched swingarm, chain, gears, upgraded trans, etc. etc....
BTW, Thanks for your service!!
lowflyer,
are you gonna do the Texas Mile in Oct??
(maybe also Maxton in Sept?)
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lowflyer
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posted July 19, 2008 12:39 PM
Texas Mile for sure! Maxton, probably not. Looking forward to a TFA reunion.
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BALTIMORE410
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posted July 24, 2008 07:57 PM
THIS IS GREAT FINALLY SOMEBOD THAT HAS THE MR. TURBO KIT!!!!!!!! how long have u had the kit has it given u any problems what kinda maintence to u have to do to it im very very new to turbo's on a bike cars thats another story if u could give me some insight on it i be more than greatful also altogether about how much did u spend
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KZScott
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posted July 24, 2008 08:01 PM
have any pics of your setup lowflyer?
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entropy
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posted July 24, 2008 09:45 PM
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Texas Mile for sure! Maxton, probably not. Looking forward to a TFA reunion.
yeah!!!
TFA is staying in Beeville this time; where are you "camping out"???
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lowflyer
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posted July 25, 2008 09:07 AM
Karl, We usually stay at the Antlers Inn in Goliad. Maybe we should do lunch in the meantime?
PM me sometime, I'll meet you somewhere...
As far as the turbo setup, I will have to look for pictures. I think I have some from the build-up. One difference, the turbo hangs lower on the 12 than a Busa. The oil return line is the lowest point of the bike and that is with a stock sump. Definitely limits how low the bike can be. Only minor trimming on the fairings required. As far as maintenance, zero so far. The same can't be said for the transmission! Kizer said I "just got lucky"...It should be back from Robinson's in the next 2 weeks.
Probably only have 5 or 600 miles on the turbo. It is my first turbo bike experience, and it is fun. Set at 10 lbs. right now. With gearing for the Mile, you really can't stay in the boost for long on the street!
Cost...Touchy subject! Depends on what you have in mind. Kizer says the stock clutch won't hold over 200 hp and you need a lockup. Might as well do a billet basket while you are there. It only escalates from there...
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shane661
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posted July 25, 2008 10:12 AM
I was surprised to see that your transmission broke...it had the billet gears, correct?
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KZScott
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posted July 25, 2008 11:21 AM
did it have HD clips and the mod to the drum?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 25, 2008 07:25 PM
Lowflyer, thanks again for the tank. If you speak to Mr. Robinson tell him Gary Dow from Austin said Hi. Glad to hear you'll be making it to the Mile in October. I think the 12 might need a little weld up on the frame/airbox as well. Lockup would be nice, but the brock clutch springs I have been running seem to be holding well (thanks MadMike for the tip). Yep, like Lowflyer said, be sure to get a billet basket, I have seen a couple episodes of stock basket carnage. It'll sure be nice to see a turbo 12 come out and lay some numbers down for all those hairdryer Busa guys. If your not with Mr. Kizer come pit with the TFA.
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lowflyer
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posted July 26, 2008 05:03 AM
The trans was stock. It will have billet 2, 3 and 4 and HD clips this time. Gary, glad the tank worked out. Did not see any need to weld anything on the airbox. There is a stainless cap in the kit that closes up the filter area really well. A few plugs here and there and it seems to be quite tight.
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johnnycheese
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posted July 26, 2008 05:52 PM
need OD 5-6?
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lowflyer
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posted July 27, 2008 04:16 AM
Don't think the mile is enough room to pull OD 5-6, even with the turbo. Any suggestions on sprocket sizes? I have a 19 on the front, (thanks Twista) and a choice of 44, 42 or 41 rear so far.
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entropy
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posted July 27, 2008 05:01 AM
hey lowflyer
re spkt size.
you gotta look at yr hp curve and decide what 6th gear rpm you are targeting for what speed.
have you dynoed yr turbo so you have a curve hp vs rpm???
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posted July 27, 2008 07:44 PM
Like Entropy said plus weather conditions, hope for no wind. Do you have stock wheels? If so I have a 43 tooth I can bring if you end up needing to borrow it.
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posted July 28, 2008 12:37 PM
Shane, The "Billet" Gears are NOT Billet as you know it to be! Steel is made from a Host of things and this "MIX is poured into Molds and then machined! Even a solid Bar of Steel is made this way so the "Billet" is really moulded / Casted / Forged Steel that is machined to tolorance. I do not know the entire process but think of it this way, All Metals are made and not found in the Ground! They all are made from high heat that forms a Liquid that becomes the "Billet" we all talk about!
The Gears can be made very strong but will break or they can be made to resist breaking but then will not be as strong! Then there is wear? Too Hard or too soft and the Wear becomes a problem. I do not know metalurgey but it is something that Bill Robinson is good with.
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entropy
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posted July 28, 2008 12:43 PM
Vince
my understanding is that liquid steel (or aluminum) is poured into a form, then the resulting chunk of metal is forged which aligns grain structure & kills porosity. That forging is then termed a billet, and is machined to fit whatever application.
Thats how i understand the term billet.
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KZScott
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posted July 28, 2008 03:22 PM
when i talked to Mark at R&D about the billet gears, he refered to them as molly gears (chrome molly or just molly, i dunno) he said that they are softer then stock gears (rattled of some hardness numbers in rockwell) and that they wear faster, but will resist breaking as they are far less brittle than stock. (think about how much force it takes to break plastic when its hot vs minus 40, same idea)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted July 28, 2008 06:55 PM
Vince and Karl are both correct. A "billet" is simply a chunck of metal. The molten steel, iron, aluminum or other alloy is poured into a mold which, when solidified, is just raw material. It can be simply used in it's cast block form but not always. It can be then re-heated and then forged or hammered into a bar from which finished parts are machined.
Commonly the use of the word billet suggests that a part is not cast or forged into shape or near shape but machined into it's final form from a "block" or bar (billet). A billet part would usually not be as strong as a forging but would be stronger than a casting.
A "Moly" gear is one that has been machined from a billet or casting or forging of an alloy of steel that contains chromium and molybdenum. It 's a steel alloy that is strong and tough, but not brittle and (I think) resists corrosion better than lesser grades of steel.
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entropy
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posted July 28, 2008 10:59 PM
that ole Doug.
always right. 
Billet (manufacturing)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Billet (disambiguation).
Billet refers to a cast semi finished product. It is also referred to as ingot, particularly for smaller sizes. A billet is typically cast to a rectangular, hexagonal or round cross section compatible with secondary processing, e.g. forging. It can be produced either as coil or cut lengths. Ingots and billets are collectively known as bar stock.
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VincentHill
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posted July 29, 2008 12:23 AM
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when i talked to Mark at R&D about the billet gears, he refered to them as molly gears (chrome molly or just molly, i dunno) he said that they are softer then stock gears (rattled of some hardness numbers in rockwell) and that they wear faster, but will resist breaking as they are far less brittle than stock. (think about how much force it takes to break plastic when its hot vs minus 40, same idea)
On the wear part I heard Robinson say the same thing that his hears will wear more but will Break Less. He heat treats the Gears once made to "HIS" Specs (WHich my guess is) for the best between Wear and Breaking! Glass is very hard but very easy to break!
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posted July 30, 2008 08:18 AM
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The biggest issue I have with a turbo 12r is longevity. It doesn't seem to be as stout of a platform as the 14 or Busa for turbo apps. I'd love to hear differently, but that's the way it seems.
Falicon told me that the cranks were weak. R & D told me that the 14 transmission was much, much better than the 12's. I'm not saying that the parts are marginal at moderate hp levels, but it may have something to do with why you don't see many 400-600 hp turbo ZX- 12's.
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VincentHill
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posted July 30, 2008 01:11 PM
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The biggest issue I have with a turbo 12r is longevity. It doesn't seem to be as stout of a platform as the 14 or Busa for turbo apps. I'd love to hear differently, but that's the way it seems.
Falicon told me that the cranks were weak. R & D told me that the 14 transmission was much, much better than the 12's. I'm not saying that the parts are marginal at moderate hp levels, but it may have something to do with why you don't see many 400-600 hp turbo ZX- 12's.
Shane
Shane, the Cranks are good on the ZX12R. The transmission on the 12 along with the clutch is not as big or heavy as the 14 is true. The real problem after sealing the frame is really the Cylinders! Keeping them from walking around and lifting off the case! To resolve this you must use the 1/2 inch Raceware Stud Bolts and to resolve the cylinder problems use a Ti Coated Cylinder and then things will work a lot better! Otherwise 400 HP or Less does not need ALL of this but it does need some of it to be totally reliable! One of the main problems is that the turbo sits too low on the 12. The oil builds up and then you see smoke!
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johnnycheese
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posted July 30, 2008 04:10 PM
Shane I sprayed a big shot (175)on Ralfs bike and the crank after 3 years of racing looks mint.
proper build is important.
set up set up set up
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