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posted January 04, 2008 10:24 AM
OT People in Iowa Should be Proud!
Knowing people Like Mad Mike live there must mean that more like him live there! They voted for the Best people on Both sides and it makes me feel good that Maybe America is going to do better in the future after 8 years of changing how our country does business with the rest of the World! WTG Iowa!
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posted January 04, 2008 12:33 PM
they MIGHT be the best people on both sides, but that doesnt mean they are good...both of them are far too inexpierenced IMO to be president. Espicially Obama, what has he done in congress, what committees has he sat on? What has he done for his state? Hell I never heard of him until Oprah put her backing on him.......
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posted January 04, 2008 01:36 PM
I think Entropy's #1son went up to help Obama up there.
Karl, did he ever get to hook up with MM for some grub? Those Iowa Folk sure know
how to put out a good hearty spread.
Might have to get Mr. Hill to visit MM for a good old pork loin sandwich! Just kidding Ya.
I am still suprised #1son is not a Revolution (Ron) kind of guy since he's here in Austin.
I heard Ron Paul was booted from the next debate even though he recieved 10% of
the vote. Must be because he has Alex Jones as his running mate!
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NY TEAMSTERS LOCAL #282 is going with her!
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posted January 04, 2008 03:31 PM
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they MIGHT be the best people on both sides, but that doesnt mean they are good...both of them are far too inexpierenced IMO to be president. Espicially Obama, what has he done in congress, what committees has he sat on? What has he done for his state? Hell I never heard of him until Oprah put her backing on him.......
HDL, Totally no disrespect to or from you, but if "Experience" is what we have now, I will try a dose of inexperience! No one ever heard of another Junior Senator and his name was Kennedy !! and a Military General did one hell of a Job in the 50's without ever holding Elected Office! His name was Eisenhower! Then of course there is for one side of the Coin the person that was a "B" Movie Actor that changed from one party to another then became a Governor and a few years later a President! As far as I am concerned he was just "Acting" President 
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posted January 04, 2008 05:49 PM
I understand totally what you are saying VH. I agree that what we have/had was not what we needed, I just dont want to see the same mistakes made again in another administration. I agree that G. Bush was not the most expierenced guy to put in office. And its apparant now. I would have to have to live through another 4 years like we have had for the past 8.
To be honest, I am not sold on anyone that is running for office right now.I agree that while expierence would be nice, its not necessary to be a decent president. I would prefer to have a president that had substantial expierence with the military. I find it hard to follow a president that would put troops in harms way, who hasnt done it him/her self. Obviously my military expierence prejudices me to this line of thinking, but I dont think its a bad one. I also would like to see someone who has some corporate expierence as well. I know inding these traits in one person would be tough. But I think it takes more than a few years as a senator or a governor of a state to qualify someone to be president.
What it all boils down to for me, is someone whom is willing to make decisions to make this country better and safer. Not the decisions that will get him/her votes.
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posted January 05, 2008 06:12 AM
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I understand totally what you are saying VH. I agree that what we have/had was not what we needed, I just dont want to see the same mistakes made again in another administration. I agree that G. Bush was not the most expierenced guy to put in office. And its apparant now. I would have to have to live through another 4 years like we have had for the past 8.
To be honest, I am not sold on anyone that is running for office right now.I agree that while expierence would be nice, its not necessary to be a decent president. I would prefer to have a president that had substantial expierence with the military. I find it hard to follow a president that would put troops in harms way, who hasnt done it him/her self. Obviously my military expierence prejudices me to this line of thinking, but I dont think its a bad one. I also would like to see someone who has some corporate expierence as well. I know inding these traits in one person would be tough. But I think it takes more than a few years as a senator or a governor of a state to qualify someone to be president.
What it all boils down to for me, is someone whom is willing to make decisions to make this country better and safer. Not the decisions that will get him/her votes.
AGREED 100%!
I may be a Democrat or Independent, but if experience counts, PLEAZE do not let it be Hillary! SHe is one cold Fish and the more I see and hear her the better Monica looks to me also! I rather give Hope a "Second Chance" and have the Preacher man before her! At least I think he is Honest and I can deal with that!
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posted January 05, 2008 06:47 AM
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I feel like I fit more closely as a liberaterian, but I wonder about those that promote Democrats as the champions of the poor and humanely superior to all others, such as Republicans especially.
President Woodrow Wilson signed the U.S. on to WW1, FDR to WW11, Truman (good guy) finished WW11 by killing masses of innocents, Truman was also President at the start of the Korean 'conflict", JFK put our troops in Viet Nam, JFK and the Bay of Pigs was also a folly, and LBJ REALLY got it going with the Pueblo story, Carter left helicopters all over the african desert in his ineptitude, Bill Clinton blew up medicine factories and old CIA barracks in Africa, useing up essentially all the Cruise missles in the military then got us into war in the Balkans. ALL of these presidents were Democrats. I feel that wars are sometimes necessary but wonder why Republicans are thought of as Lions and Democrats are thought of as Sheep.
President Lincoln made it possible for Obama to enjoy the status he does today. Lincoln was a Republican.
Democrats promised during campaigns to provide for the poor by increasing Social Security benefits and such. Only when Bush got in did the first increase in perks for retired people get accomplished (the drugs program).
Mr. Hill appearantly doesn't like President Reagan, and thats all right, but think about some of the good things he did. He ended the cold war and presided over 8 years of peace for a couple. To me, that doesn't smack of only "acting".
I'm not trying to champion any political party but above are a few things I think about when I Vote. ALL politicians lie and make promises during campaigns they have no intention of keeping. Even if they each meant their promises, nothing is any good if we are not secure
behind our doors. There is only one candidate that has experience of keeping his charges safe and that is Rudy.
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posted January 05, 2008 09:23 AM
Buddy, OMFG!!!!
Where to start.
Before social security the leading cause of death among the elderly was freezing to death or starvation. It was FDR and the New Deal that gave jobs and help to millions of poor desperate Americans trying to survive the great depression brought on by the rich (mostly republican).
As for WWII we should have let the Nazis ravage Europe and the Japanese rape Asia? Yeah, if only FDR hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor and dragged us into the war. 
Ronny Raygun? Eight years of peace? How old are you buddy? 12?
Eight years of peace....tell that to the families of the 241 US servicemen killed in Beirut in 1983. Reagan response? 'Cut and run' Oh wait a republican did it, sorry strategic withdrawal.
What about Central America? Nicarauga? El Salvador? Honduras? The Contras?!? for fucking Christ sake
Except for Grenada and Beirut Reagan did not get us in any big conflicts like the gulf war. He was all about the proxy war. Innocent people killed by US bullets, fired from US guns held by soldiers wearing US supplied uniforms trained by US personnel. The Contras were the worst of the Reagan's Freedom Fighters. They used to run across the boarder into Nicaragua and terrorize the local villages. They would cut the heads off the village leaders, teachers and doctors and burn the local schools and hospitals to the ground.
Why those targets? Because the socialist Sandinista government came to power promising free schooling and healthcare to all the poor people of Nicaragua and it was working. Under the Sandanistas Nicaragua had the highest literacy, life expectancy, lowest infanct mortality and overall better life than any of there western capatilist run neighbors. That was until Reagan's contras showed up and started terrorizing everyone. And the Contras were not Nicaraguan nationals escaping the oppression of their legally and popularly elected government. They were Isreali trained mercenaries.
Eventually the American people, specifically the Catholic community had enough of US tax dollars to being used to rape nuns and cut the heads of villagers and the US Congress passed a law prohibiting Reagan from giving any more money to the Contras. Of course in a now all to familiar republican style Reagan said fuck the congress and the constitution and had Olie North take US weapons out of inventory, sell them to our suppossed enemy the Iranians for cash and used that cash to fund the Contras and buy drugs which they then sold in the US for even more cash for the Contras.
The Iran-Contra scandal. Ever hear of it.????
Also lets get one thing straight about the Cold War...what exactly was it that Reagan did that Nixon didn't do or Ford or even JFK? You know who took a huge political gamble putting everything on the line, his reputation, his job, possibly his life, to end the Cold War?
Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev
Reagan called the soviets bad and spent billions on new weapons systems....wow...he sure was bucking the establishment and the american people on that one.
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Democrats promised during campaigns to provide for the poor by increasing Social Security benefits and such. Only when Bush got in did the first increase in perks for retired people get accomplished (the drugs program).
Pop quiz. Which party controlled the congress for the last 6 years of Clinton's presidency?
Apparently your as ignorant about current events as you are history....
Problem: Drugs are too expensive for the elderly on fixed incomes especially when drug prices go up 10 to 15% a year. Bush's solution:
A) pass legislation regulating the price of drugs so that americans don't pay 3 times as much as people in canada do for the same drug.
B) Have the taxpayer pay the billions of dollars the elderly can't so the drug companies can still make obscene profits.
C) Outlaw states and other institutions from organizing to buy drugs in large quantities to keep them from negotiating the price down.
If you said B and C your correct. That drug bill was universally hated by seniors for its complexity and true conservatives for its outrageaous cost to the tax payer. It was not helping the people. It was a give away to the drug industry.
Hey, buddy, bet you don't know who the first Bush worked for between being head of the CIA and Reagan's VP? Eli Lilly, a huge US pharma company. Can you guess what Bush the VP got repremanded by the Supreme Court of the US for doing? Lobbying congress on behalf of drug companies while VP. Hey buddy can you guess who Bush 41 selected to be his VP when he ran for president? Thats right, the son of his former Eli Lilly boss and heir to a pharma fortune, Dan Quayle. Do you know how many former drug company lobbiests the current Bush has appointed to positions in his administration? 48.
Now lets talk about Rudy.
Why was Rudy walking seen walking the streets of New York after 9/11? To be with the people? No. After the first attack on the world trade center he was stupid enough to put the new emergency response command post in the world trade center. The contract was very lucrative for a buddy of his. And why did all the firefighters die? Because after the first attack on the world trade center Rudy refused to spend the money to upgrade the police/fire radios. And what about all the air pollution caused by all the toxic dust after 9/11 that Rudy knew about but then told the people it was safe to go back to work so the economy would rebound.
As Biden said of Rudy......The only thing that comes out of his mouth is a noun a verb and 9/11
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...I would prefer to have a president that had substantial expierence with the military. I find it hard to follow a president that would put troops in harms way, who hasnt done it him/her self....I know finding these traits in one person would be tough. But I think it takes more than a few years as a senator or a governor of a state to qualify someone to be president.
So I take it in 2004 you went with the guy who Volunteered to go to Vietnam when he could of stayed in school and avoided it. Who served with distinction, was recognized for serving above the call. Who then came home and did something that took a lot of personal courage, something he knew he would be hated for but felt he had to do for all his friends he left in Vietnam...speak out to end the war and bring his friends home. Someone who then spent the rest of his life in public service in the Senate.
You voted for that guy right?
Not the guy who had his Senator dad pull strings to get him in the Guard and then didn't even bother to show up for his flight physical. Not the guy who ran not one but two businesses into the ground and only was able to invest in a baseball team because his dad's rich Saudi friends bailed him out.
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Why those targets? Because the socialist Sandinista government came to power promising free schooling and healthcare to all the poor people of Nicaragua and it was working. Under the Sandanistas Nicaragua had the highest literacy, life expectancy, lowest infanct mortality and overall better life than any of there western capatilist run neighbors. That was until Reagan's contras showed up and started terrorizing everyone. And the Contras were not Nicaraguan nationals escaping the oppression of their legally and popularly elected government. They were Isreali trained mercenaries.
You're a fool comrade Ridgy,
The Sandinista government was a Marist communist failure, why? Because they were foolish enough to allow elections in 1990 and got voted out of power.
Any good communist knows the party can not have free elections.
First, take over the media, suspend elections, appoint a dictator for life, like Castro, offer free cheap medical services to all, expand schooling to teach about the supreme leader's wisdom and very importantly; eliminate free speech and imprison anyone who questions or talks about anything that is subversive to the state.
Hugo Chavez is attempting to pull off this "Dictator for life" miracle by offering some goodies to the poor, but until he pulls the election plug, it's not happening.
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posted January 05, 2008 02:47 PM
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I don't really care so much about the party affiliation, I just want a capable politician with intelligence, honesty, integrity, good character, and a backbone, I know dream on... I kind of liked what VH said.
Historical rankings of United States Presidents
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Sculptor Gutzon Borglum and President Calvin Coolidge selected Washington, Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Lincoln to appear on Mount Rushmore.
In political science, historical rankings of United States Presidents are surveys conducted in order to construct rankings of the success of individuals who have served as President of the United States. Ranking systems are usually based on surveys of academic historians and political scientists or popular opinion. The rankings focus on the presidential achievements, leadership qualities, failures and faults (such as corruption).
Three Presidents—George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt—are consistently ranked at the top of the lists. Usually ranked just below those three are Presidents Thomas Jefferson and Theodore Roosevelt. The remaining top 10 ranks are often rounded out by Woodrow Wilson, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, and Andrew Jackson. Ranking at the bottom of most polls are Warren G. Harding, Franklin Pierce, and James Buchanan. William Henry Harrison and James A. Garfield, who each died after less than six months in office, are sometimes not ranked.
Some presidents present special problems because their foreign policy success or failure stands in contradiction to their domestic policy failure or success. Political scientist Walter Dean Burnham noted the "dichotomous or schizoid profiles." Historian Alan Brinkley said: "There are presidents who could be considered both failures and great or near great (for example, Nixon)". James MacGregor Burns observed of Nixon, 'How can one evaluate such an idiosyncratic president, so brilliant and so morally lacking?'"[1]
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posted January 05, 2008 03:54 PM
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This thread topic more along the lines of a smackhouse forum rant. matter of fact ridge, there are a few threads over there now slamming liberal ideologies, perhaps you can offer them some defense?
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posted January 05, 2008 04:27 PM
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...I would prefer to have a president that had substantial expierence with the military. I find it hard to follow a president that would put troops in harms way, who hasnt done it him/her self....I know finding these traits in one person would be tough. But I think it takes more than a few years as a senator or a governor of a state to qualify someone to be president.
So I take it in 2004 you went with the guy who Volunteered to go to Vietnam when he could of stayed in school and avoided it. Who served with distinction, was recognized for serving above the call. Who then came home and did something that took a lot of personal courage, something he knew he would be hated for but felt he had to do for all his friends he left in Vietnam...speak out to end the war and bring his friends home. Someone who then spent the rest of his life in public service in the Senate.
You voted for that guy right?
Not the guy who had his Senator dad pull strings to get him in the Guard and then didn't even bother to show up for his flight physical. Not the guy who ran not one but two businesses into the ground and only was able to invest in a baseball team because his dad's rich Saudi friends bailed him out.
Actually I didnt vote in the 2004 election, I had been deployed overseas in OIF 1 on the invasion and had just gotten back and had no idea which candidate stood on what views.. So I am not complaining as to the selection in 04 as I dont have the right, as I didnt vote. That being said, I still see the flaws and issues during this administration, and will vote this time around, so that I have the RIGHT to bitch about things when/if things go wrong....
Things under the current administration have not been perfect. I have seen some of the issues first hand. I hear alot of people complain about the war and whats going on there. Well I will tell ya, after spending 2 years of my life over there, there will be NO candidate that will be able to pull our soldiers out of Iraq any time soon. if they say that they will, they are lying, or severly misinformed. Either way, they arent the person I want in charge. I spent 1 year taking that country and makeing it yeild to our will. Tearing down city and state governments, police forces, and even their army. This past year I spent trying to re-establish governments and police forces, and yes the Army too. And I can tell you from first hand knowledge, that none of these institutions are ready to take over for themselves, and wont be anytime soon.
When is the last time any of the candidates went over to Iraq and saw for themselves what is going on over there? I dont know myself, but I can say I didnt hear or see any in my 14 months over there this time. I saw more singers and pro wrestlers than I did government politicians.Thats sad in my opinion.
Now I know that this war is not the only thing that detirmines which candidate will be a good one, there are economics and foriegn policies. I would like to see some debates and hear the views of these people. I know they have probably already been on TV stating their policies, but I missed it due to being over in the sand box playing army.....lol
I will be the first to admit that I am ignorant on the views of the list of candidates, all I have to go on is what I have seen since got home, and what I saw of them before I left. So I need/will watch the upcomming debates and further judge where they stand and whom I will vote for.
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posted January 05, 2008 05:56 PM
I'm not much on debating politics but I am big on appreciating our service men & women.......Jim, this old US Army 101st Airborne veteran thanks YOU for your dedication!
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posted January 05, 2008 08:46 PM
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Well! In comes the Pacific Northwest ultra liberals. Looks like I really pulled your chain, Mr. Racer.
As any good liberal who is looking to be offended will do, looks like you intentionally misinterpreted my post. I am not a trained writer, but I tried not to offend anyone, only to post some thoughts. I didn't try to say FDR acted wrong in going to war, only noted that it is usually a Democrat in office when war starts. Truman is one of my heroes as far as presidents go. I also didn't criticize FDR on Social Security, which I draw. Only mentioned that in the last few years Dems have promised much and delivered little or nothing regarding SS. When an administration thought to be conservative finally did something, all people like you can do is scream bloody murder that it's the wrong thing, primarily because the wrong party did it. The drug plan, while not perfect, has helped a lot of people I know. You complain that taxpayers pay for it. Are you so naive as to believe that taxpayers don't pay for EVERYTHING the government does. Do you think Hillarys' or Obamas', or anyone elses potential health plan will not be paid for by the taxpayer?
When I said RR presided over 8 years of peace, I didn't mean to say nobody died during those years. Just that there were no major wars. Usually, in all the history I know, the sitting president is credited with good and bad things that happen during his administration. If the Berlin wall fell and the cold war ended during his admin. he gets the credit. I feel he as well as others worked hard for that.
I don't want to talk about Rudy. I didn't mention anything about the WTC, ONLY that he had experience in keeping the NYC citizens safer in lowering crime. Looks like you hate him also and would be unable to give him credit for anything good. Seems like you have contempt for anyone thought to be even slightly conservative.
I am not a Bush promoter. I stated that I am more of a libertarian. I liked JFK , as most people did, and Teddy Roosevelt was my favorite. If the election were today and Ron Paul was still in it, he would get my vote.
You put forth that I am ignorant about current events as well as history. You read a lot into what I said that isn't there. If you can point out specifically what I said that was wrong without
ranting and raving, I will check it out and if wrong, will own up to it.
Stevewfl is right. This thread probably should be someplace else. If it was, I wouldn't have seen it and wouldn't feel a need to try to argue with a liberal.
P.S. Jim, I too am an old U. S. Army vet and I am proud that there are younger people like your self that are willing to serve their Country.
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posted January 06, 2008 07:04 AM
Everyone has the good and bad Side Something no one really wants to admit to is the "FACT" that during Reagan's time Aids had just come to the front and the Test for it. BUT he / his administration stated that we could not afford to spend the money it would cost to check every drop of blood for something that only occured in the Homosexual community. Smaller Government? The largest Government building in Washington is the ROnald Reagan Building..
Yes, it "WAS" the Republican Party that Lincoln was a member of and most Black people after the Civil War were a member of. But if you read History, it was during the period of 1915 to 1925 that the Parties "Flip Flopped" and became opposite in their thinking
Jimmy Carter only served to prove that a "Good" Person does not make a Good President. Very few will argue that he is possibly the BEST "EX President" we have ever had!
The reason for this thread was only to show that people in Iowa (At least) could look at the person and not see the Color! Something that Martin Luther King hoped for has happened!~
HDL, I still say that you are one of my Hero's because you have been to Hell and Back and in 1 piece! I salute everyone that is in the Military because that is something I would not want to be in right now!
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posted January 06, 2008 07:27 AM
WOW !! Im not used to seeing politics discussed here.Usually brings out tempers quick.We should probably only talk bikes before everybody gets mad.
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posted January 06, 2008 08:08 AM
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Maybe better said Love the People but hate the behavior? WWJD
What party was the Person from Florida that was after the Male Pages?
What party was the person from Montana that was in the Airport Toilet?
What Party was the person from Texas arrested for Oral Sodomy of a male Intern?
Looks like the statement, the Rules are for everyone but us!
I am an Old Board member! What does that have to do with anything? This board at 1 time only had this page where we posted "Everything" ! It is MY Mistake that I did not post this elsewhere! Good to see a Lurker out of the "Closet" The Best thing about this board is we all have discussed about EVERYTHING and No REAL Nastiness comes out! Just real Heart felt feelings that EVERYONE Has a right to feel and express no matter how different! I consider Buddy a friend of mine even if we are 180 degrees different on Politics! I am willing to bet that Both of us care more about the "Quality of the person" vs the Party of the person! I would have voted for McCain over Gore because I think he is a truer person. I think Bush the Father is twice the man as Bush the Son! I loved Clinton the Man and Hate Clinton the Woman! Hope that clears things up a bit!
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posted January 06, 2008 08:10 AM
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WOW !! Im not used to seeing politics discussed here.Usually brings out tempers quick.We should probably only talk bikes before everybody gets mad.
P.S. Democrats loves fags!!
But no one loves piss ant cowards that have to make another screen name just to say how they really feel, Mr. 1 post count.
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posted January 06, 2008 08:21 AM
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I'm not much on debating politics but I am big on appreciating our service men & women.......Jim, this old US Army 101st Airborne veteran thanks YOU for your dedication!
Dan
Thanks Dan, its nice to be recognized for things. I have given almost 19 years to the Army now, I will retire in April of 09. Then it will be time for the young guys to take it over. I have enjoyed my time in, that being said, its time for me to go. I came in when things were different, and I see the change in the Army and all of the services, some of which are good, some of which arent. I cant change the things I dont agree with, so I will let them be, and get out when my time is up.
I am not much on politics either, and I dont vote a party. I vote for the person that has the views that I think will better help the people of this country. Right now, I dont see one worth voting for, so I will pick the lesser of the evils and hope for the best. Atleast that way I will have the right to bitch about it later......lol
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posted January 06, 2008 08:23 AM
Mr Hill, one day we will meet, as you are one person that I want to look face to face and shake your hand. We dont always see eye to eye on stuff, and that happens. But I respect your view and you opinions, and always appreciate your input...Thank you...
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posted January 06, 2008 08:42 AM
No sense of humor this morning? Not a new screen name,just dont post here,nothing like politics to stir the pot!
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posted January 06, 2008 09:51 AM
HDL Any View you have is to be respected because YOU are one of the Few that gave this country a Blank Check that can be cashed in any amount up to an including your Life! Not many people in the entire world are willing to do that! THAT Is why you are one of the people that are a Hero to me!!
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posted January 06, 2008 10:55 AM
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....As any good liberal who is looking to be offended will do, looks like you intentionally misinterpreted my post. I am not a trained writer, but I tried not to offend anyone, only to post some thoughts. I didn't try to say FDR acted wrong in going to war, only noted that it is usually a Democrat in office when war starts.
Your backtracking now. You talked about war presidents and included Carter because a helicopter crashed into a C130 in a sandstorm on a rescue mission? You included Clinton? The biggest military action of the last 20 years of the twentieth century, the first Gulf War, was under Bush Sr. And lets not forget Panama and Somalia which Bush started and left for Clinton to clean up.
And then you call Reagan 8 years of Peace? I doesn't matter how you compare it, military money spent, US serviceman lives lost, civilians killed Reagan is twice the 'war president' Clinton was.
So post Vietnam you have Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and you single out the Dems as the war presidents? Vietnam is a wash in my mind. Started by LBJ but escalated by Nixon.
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Only mentioned that in the last few years Dems have promised much and delivered little or nothing regarding SS. When an administration thought to be conservative finally did something, all people like you can do is scream bloody murder that it's the wrong thing, primarily because the wrong party did it.
Prior to the last election in 2006 the republicans controlled congress for the last 12 years since 1994. Since Bush the Dems couldn't even get a hearing on their issues. I mean literally the R leadership would not even assign them a hearing room, they had to meet in the basement.
And people were screaming about privatizing social security because it was an incredibly stupid idea designed to only do what this administration does best, move money from the pockets of the taxpayer into the pockets of the rich, in this case wall street. All you need to do is up the taxable limit to fix SS. Right now you don't pay SS tax on any income above $96k. Some one who makes $500k a year pays the same SS tax as someone who makes $96k
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The drug plan, while not perfect, has helped a lot of people I know. You complain that taxpayers pay for it. Are you so naive as to believe that taxpayers don't pay for EVERYTHING the government does.
Of course the taxpayer pays for everything but as a taxpayer I'd like to not pay for the waste. Again if it means pumping money into the pockets of corporations like the big drug industry Bush and the R's are all for but try to give money to people and oh no its to expensive we can't afford it. Money to buy kids health insurance, nope. Money to help the poor elderly offset the cost home heating oil over the winter, nope. College loans, cut. on and on and on.
Tax money for the taxpayer, no. Tax money for no bid contracts for everything from Katrina to Iraq to spying on Americans yes, yes, yes.
9 billion dollars, in cash, 338 pallets of hundred dollar bills loaded on cargo planes and flown to Iraq and nobody signed for it? They don't know where it went? But oh my god the real threat to this country is all those supposed welfare mom's driving their Cadillacs having babies just to get the welfare.
And I can't wait to here all the republicans scream how its all the next Democratic President 's fault the economy crashed after 8 years of Bush and the R's running it into massive debt and destroying the dollar. You want to know the real reason oil is $100 a barrel? Because the dollar aint worth shit. In 2000 dollars oil is only $30 a barrel.
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I don't want to talk about Rudy. I didn't mention anything about the WTC, ONLY that he had experience in keeping the NYC citizens safer in lowering crime
You mentioned him Mr. 9ui11iani first. And the word crime never appeared in your first post. Besides you can't mention Rudy and not mention WTC. That is all the man ever talks about. When asked about his poor showing in Iowa he said,
"None of this worries me - Sept. 11, there were times I was worried,"
I'm to busy laughing at the guy to hate him.
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...if the election were today and Ron Paul was still in it, he would get my vote.
" I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal....We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.
That Ron Paul? Sounds like BlueFord's dream candidate..
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You put forth that I am ignorant about current events as well as history. You read a lot into what I said that isn't there. If you can point out specifically what I said that was wrong without
ranting and raving, I will check it out and if wrong, will own up to it.
I'm not trying to attack you personally, I don't even know you. I don't have contempt or hate for anyone, not even Bush. I think he should be impeached, tried for war crimes and spend the rest of his life in prison, but I don't hate the man. I'm sure you are a decent honorable man like most of the people out there. Obviously you took it personal when I attacked your ideas. But as I said I don't even know you so how could I attack you personally. I just disagree with some of your ideas its just verbal sparring. On the flip side who the hell am I that any one cares what I think?
BTW if you want to check something out check out this written by a Marine Corp Major General and TWO time congressional Medal of Honor recipient and the guy who stopped the attempted fascist overthrow of the FDR administration
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
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