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posted December 03, 2007 11:02 AM
Last Clutch Questions!
OK i pulled the Clutch out making room for the new Falicon/02 Setup,, my questions are:
When i pulled the cover off,, i noticed that all of the fibers were in the same notches except the last one (closest to the clutch cover) it was positioned one notch over or off set,, this is the stock clutch,, is this correct or does it not matter or are they all supposed to be in the same notch,, basically inbetween the fingers on the basket?
and the springs or round rings that are deep inside that ride inbetween the larger diameter
friction,, does it matter how they go it and if so what is the proper positioning..
and the last question is when i ordered the plates from ron ayers,, i got a pack of frictions,, a pack of steels and then i got one friction all by itself which was the larger inside diameter plate,, and one that looks like the rest but it was by itself ,, does anyone know what thats about? thanx for all the help!
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posted December 03, 2007 11:53 AM
that is correct for the stock setup, in yr falicon basket, put them all in the same one(lined up)
about the 2 steel springs and larger diameter friction, i can go check if nobody answers, but the purpose of them is to remove clutch chatter. when you get a billet basket, you dont really need it as the basket helps with chatter i believe. a lot of guys just get rid of the steel springs and larger diameter fiber and just use a regular fiber in their place(i guess its also a weak point).
the larger diameter fiber is a different part number, thats probly why its seperate?
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posted December 03, 2007 12:33 PM
Hey Scott,, thanx for the reply,, question,, what is the proper way to check stack height, dont want to contaminate the fibers ,,and if i can get some info on the eliminating the last large diameter friction i will do it once its confirmed,, and you are saying that stock they offset the last friction,, why is it not needed with a billet and why is it offset in the first place.. have you had any expierience with Brock springs and can they hurt?
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posted December 03, 2007 03:03 PM
The last fiber is offset and "sprung" in order to prevent sticking and chatter. You check stack height simply by taking the complete plate "stack" (all steels and fibers)and measuring it with a caliper.
Correct -the part number is unique to the "narrow" fiber. The narrow fiber is the same thickness as the others. There are three thicknesses of steels, but only one of fibers.
Since most "racers" don't care about sticking and chatter you can just use all wide the wide fibers in the same notches. The only real reason that the stack height exists is to define a service limit (minimum) to quantify the wear of the fibers. The steels don't wear, but they do warp and and glaze when overheated.
If the stack height is too low or too high due to the wrong "mix" of steels and fibers the clutch will not function properly even if all the plates are good from a friction standpoint.
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posted December 03, 2007 03:57 PM
Doug ,, do you recommend offsetting the last fiber like the factory does even if i am using a billet basket now,,i dont race it on the track although once in a blue moon i will launch it from a redlight... can stack height vary so much as to have all new fibers and steels still be out of limits? and when it is all buttoned up is there a rule of thumb to get it adjusted correctly at the basket on the cable,, i dont have a manual so i figure i would just ask,, thanx fror the info! its very helpful
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posted December 03, 2007 04:19 PM
you can download a manual for the 00 on Dales forum, pm me if you want to know how
actually, its not even possible to offset a fiber (on a billet basket) now that i think about it. so i really doubt DM would recommend it :P
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posted December 03, 2007 06:23 PM
Hey now that i think about it i think your right,, there arent all the fingers like on the stocker..
well that answers that thanx!
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posted December 03, 2007 07:39 PM
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Doug ,, do you recommend offsetting the last fiber like the factory does even if i am using a billet basket now,,i dont race it on the track although once in a blue moon i will launch it from a redlight... can stack height vary so much as to have all new fibers and steels still be out of limits? and when it is all buttoned up is there a rule of thumb to get it adjusted correctly at the basket on the cable,, i dont have a manual so i figure i would just ask,, thanx fror the info! its very helpful
Dont offset the last fiber.
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posted December 05, 2007 03:40 PM
put the plates (after soaking them) on the micrometer and with 12 fibers and 11 1.6 steels it measured 57.4 so i guess im good to go for installation.. sharp edge out..
onnce its all buttoned up what is the proper way to set the cable adjustment at the cover?
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