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posted October 17, 2007 01:39 PM
2.0s or 1.6s ??????????
getting some conflict on which is the better setup,, can we get a vote count,, i want to do this clutch and forget about it for a while,, Dave at Muzzys says the heat dispersion is better with the 2.0 steels,, but someone said to go with more 1.6s for increased stack height which will let my clutch last longer,, Help please thanx
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posted October 17, 2007 06:22 PM
I like the 1.6s better...Dont know how much difference in heat dispersion between the 1.6s and 2.0s???
With the 12 frictions and 11 1.6s the stack height is a little larger and with the oem 1881 clutch springs I get 100 DragStrip passes from that set up...Of course I use the 2002 clutch hub and redline synthetic 10-40 oil with a BilletBasket...
If you are using this for the street, it will be fine but make sure you try to not drag the clutch too much in traffic or slow riding...That will kill the clutch life!!!
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posted October 17, 2007 06:45 PM
Always used the 2.0's.
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posted October 17, 2007 11:59 PM
i use the 2,0´s
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posted October 18, 2007 02:03 AM
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Always used the 2.0's.
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posted October 18, 2007 06:57 AM
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Always used the 2.0's.
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posted October 18, 2007 02:48 PM
whats the cheapest place for stock plates///
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posted October 18, 2007 03:59 PM
ronaeyers?
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posted October 18, 2007 05:37 PM
Hey entropy, tell us what you use now???
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posted October 18, 2007 10:57 PM
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Hey entropy, tell us what you use now???
i have stock set up, AKA "CR clutch pak"... 
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posted October 19, 2007 01:01 AM
will the Muzzy hub work with a falicon basket and stock plates and brock davidson springs,, cause i can get a drilled hub from schnitz for $108.00 but i need to know if this will all work together.. thanx
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posted October 19, 2007 02:16 AM
Yes I have a Muzzy hub and Falicon basket.
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posted October 19, 2007 06:52 AM
Twista...The OEM clutch hub is better than the drilled hub from anyone!!!...The best part is that the OEM hub is $83...
All the Billet Baskets and clutch hubs will work with each other!!!...Mix and match OEM, Muzzy, Falicon, Schnitz, APE, MTC...They are all the same!!!
Now when you change the friction and steel set up, then change and mix the clutch springs set up, thats where you will get different clutch performance than other guys recommendations!!!
The other main factor is your style of riding...You first need to know what your style is, then you can set the clutch up for your style of riding!!!
Hope I took the complications out for you now!!!
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posted October 19, 2007 12:55 PM
Just got off the phone with RONAYERS and according to them the micro fische has the same part number for a 2000-05,, so how will i know if i would be getting a drilled hub?
the 00 is not drilled correct,, and what i want is the 02 correct,, so how do i order a hub if its listed with the same part number for 00-05 (this is all according to the guy i just hung up with from Ron Ayers,, help??
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posted October 19, 2007 01:00 PM
another thing is dave at muzzy said that they machine there hubs different from stock to allow 2.0s hense accomidating the different stack height?,,, anyone have info on brock springs? what will they do? the Basket just arrived with the springs,, so now all i need to know is what or how to order the correct hub,, or are you saying that i want to use my stock 00 hub Crotch Rocket,, i read that the 02 was the hot setup and now i find out they have the same part number,, someone un fuse me lol...
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posted October 19, 2007 10:22 PM
Here ya go Twista...All the OEM part numbers you need...Call ron ayers with the part numbers listed in the post below!!!
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=17845
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posted October 20, 2007 03:51 AM
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Done! Ordered them,, 7--10 days ,, thanx CR for all the help,, do you know if there is a pic on the site that shows how to check stack height,, also do you know where the Brock springs fall when compared to the others ie. stiffer, longer, etc,, also all this talk on the link above you posted,, did you ever drill the pusher shaft like psyhco or anything like that or are you still with the same setup? thanx Bro for all the help...
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posted October 21, 2007 06:39 PM
Never driller the shaft, no need to...Dont know about the Brock springs...Still using the exact setup!!!
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posted October 21, 2007 07:54 PM
to get the stack height, just mic all the plates and add it up
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posted October 22, 2007 02:40 AM
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to get the stack height, just mic all the plates and add it up
easier to stack em all up, squeeze the stack a bit and use calipers to measure all at once.
get most of the oil off em first...
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posted October 22, 2007 01:29 PM
where do i need to be idealy as far as stack height,, should have the plates later this week Ron Ayers says 7-10 days..
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posted October 22, 2007 10:43 PM
stack height should be 56.8-57.6mm
if its lower, you will go thru the same learning curve i did this summer and have to buy a bunch of extra parts
set it up on the high side so you wont have to replace anything soon, and its easier on the actuator arm. if its low, just take out a thick steel and add 2 thin ones. keep doing that as the frictions wear to keep it on the high side untill they reach the service limit.
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posted October 23, 2007 03:01 AM
Het scott,, if the stock plates are 1.6s,,(thats what i ordered),, wouldnt the stack height be the same,, or does it depend actual castings of the plates,, those japanese are pretty good at consistency so what takes place to have the stack height differ,, just so i get a better understanding on how this thing functions,, thanx
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posted October 23, 2007 08:48 AM
as the frictions slowly wear out they get thinner. this causes the stack height to go down as the stack height is the total height of steels AND frictions
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posted October 23, 2007 08:58 AM
the frictions should be 3.22-3.38mm when they are new. and the service limit is 3.00mm
so if all the frictions are worn a SOME, but still well ABOVE 3.00mm (still very useable) the total stack height CAN be too low. this is when you add extra steels to build up the total stack height to prevent "bad" things from happening.
since you are planning on using the 1.6mm steels, when the stack height starts to get low, you could start replacing some with the 2.0mm plates to build it back up to the high side of the spec
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