h2smokin
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posted June 22, 2002 07:29 AM
false neutral!
been catching a false neutral going up to 4th pretty much since bike new. can hear it free spinning! or something in tranny. bike has 4k on it. i don't tear around on the bike to much. any thoughts? bent shift fork maybe? thanks
  
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beansbaxter
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posted June 22, 2002 09:29 AM
Under warranty still??
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Zhooligan
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posted June 22, 2002 09:46 AM
definitly not typical, talk to the dealer. Should be a warranty item.
My 12 has always been very sure shifting, no false neutrals at all.
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h2smokin
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posted June 22, 2002 12:28 PM
yeah it's under warranty. just finished a 150mile ride and it did again 3 times. even when i make it a point to shift hard. clutched it 3rd time and rolled to a stop. shop time i suppose. better than tranny locking up on me at speed.
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zx12rpilot
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posted June 22, 2002 07:21 PM
Dont have false neutral but second seems to hit3-4 teeth before engaging... Anyone else?
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posted June 23, 2002 03:37 PM
I had one at 150+
I was cranked over in at turn when I went to TWO before the DG3 meeting.I'm not sure what gear I was in but it scared the shit out of me.I just pulled in the clutch and waited till I was around the curve.I thought it was maybe because I wasn't positive enough when I shifted.
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posted June 23, 2002 07:46 PM
THIS HAPPENS TO ME EVERY NOW AND THEN WHEN I'M HARD ON IT dont think it has anything to do with my tranning just my left foot and mind dont ingage with my left hand all at once reson i say that is i've had this happen on my f4 my 929 ect. i could be wrong. who knows not i
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posted June 23, 2002 09:21 PM
Re: false neutrals
I occasionally get a false neutral but it is usually because I get lazy with my shift effort.
One thing I will say is I've never had a false neutral when I shift clutchless. Smoother than butter.  -ZXtra
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bagster
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posted June 24, 2002 08:10 AM
same here
I have had some false neutrals also, it seems to happen to me more often when I am at lower rpm's just cruising.
I agree with ZXtra and think it has something to do with lazy foot in combination with not enough backing off on the throttle.
The reason I say that is because when clutchless shifting I am always very careful to float the gears by lowering throttle and it works super smooth every time.
But when i'm using clutch at lower rpms i sometimes find myself not releasing throttle enough because its barely open anyhow.
I've had false neutrals in 3rd 4th and 5th so it doesn't seem to be specific to one gear on my bike.
oh, by the way, has anyone noticed the return throttle cable on their bike doesnt let enough slack out with adjuster fully closed for the twist grip to totally release to the stops.
I can get the proper free play at twist grip but only by slacking the pull cable and leaving the return cable taught.
are both cables exactly the same?
i'm thinking my return cable needs to be longer as the adjuster is maxed out and can't go smaller.
any ideas?
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ra12r
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posted June 24, 2002 02:12 PM
Bagster,,,,,re-route your cable.
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bagster
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posted June 24, 2002 08:18 PM
ok
Ok, I will try rerouting the cable ra12r, it doesnt seem to be flexed wrong or anything.
I was wondering if anyone else noticed this on their bike?
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h2smokin
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posted June 24, 2002 08:46 PM
i'm taking it in on the 16th. til then i'll have to ride my triples. bikes only done it 3rd to 4th. high rpm-low rpm does'nt matter. it's done it since new just has gotten worse lately. we'll see. thanks for input people
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posted June 30, 2002 06:55 PM
This is an old subject and the people who listened before to me can attest that what I am about to say really works. I seems trivial but all you need to do is lower the shifter a bit and the false neutrals will disappear. Here is why all constant mesh transmissions have neutrals inbetween every gear, if they didn't you could index two gears at once and the transmission would explode. This fix will work like magic.
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posted June 30, 2002 07:15 PM
ted is right... I had the same prob and did what he said.. solved it right away
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posted June 30, 2002 07:17 PM
Get the suggestion a try H2!! It would be nice to not have to check the bike in!!!
When are you going to put a little bean oil in the 12 for that soothing aroma!!!
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h2smokin
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posted July 01, 2002 09:15 PM
i'll give the bean oil a shot zhooligan. may have to run a hotter plug though. nothing better than a little smoke for the lungs
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posted July 01, 2002 09:35 PM
Maxima 927 is a synthetic blend of bean oil and sythetic 2 stroke oil. It smells great!!
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h2smokin
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posted July 02, 2002 08:31 AM
hey tedg. are you doing the adjustment at the shaft or on the rod? i just lowered lever a bit via the rod. gonna take her out and see what happens. thanks for the info
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posted July 02, 2002 11:01 AM
Rod!!!
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h2smokin
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posted July 02, 2002 05:04 PM
seemed a little better shifting today. did'nt go very far. gonna do an all day ride tomorrow to check it out. thanks for the info tedg. would rather not take to dealer
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TedG
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posted July 02, 2002 07:49 PM
You're welcome, if you still are having trouble lower it some more.
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Zhooligan
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posted July 02, 2002 09:02 PM
Ted I believe part of H2's problem is he has a red one!
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TedG
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posted July 03, 2002 08:18 PM
Shit, why didn't you say so?? It won't work right until that Honda color is gone. Gotta strip it all off. Remember the movie Used Cars??
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h2smokin
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posted July 03, 2002 08:22 PM
it ain't cause it's the faster red one. might be cause most my bikes are a 5 up shift pattern though. some things should have been left alone
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posted July 04, 2002 09:12 PM
I'm an old H2 guy myself. Had a 73 I bought new and was sponsered on a couple of H2Rs.
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