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posted June 20, 2002 06:20 PM
Bike Night Hassled by the MAN
Got there and the guy in the center was busting everyone for paperwork, turn signals, etc. 2 hours, 6 cruisers for 50 bikes.
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posted June 20, 2002 06:43 PM
well thats just stupid. i'll bet the iddue wasnt really paperwork and signals tho. probably just tryin to hassle the bikers so they dont return. prolly a popular hangout and local puritan residents want the scary bikers gone 
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posted June 20, 2002 07:15 PM
The last time I got hassled like that in a parking lot I reminded the cop he was on private property. He argued, I told him to call his supervisor, he did, he got in his car and left.
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posted June 20, 2002 07:27 PM
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posted June 20, 2002 10:11 PM
Maybe?
They heard you were going to be there LubeDude?? 
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posted June 20, 2002 10:15 PM
That BMW bike in the front on the right...what is that above the exhaust????
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posted June 20, 2002 10:20 PM
Do you mean?
The 2002 Yamaha silver R-1? I don't know what it is. I do see what you are talking about , looks like another exhaust cannister?
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posted June 20, 2002 11:04 PM
Look Harder
The R1 is so spindaly out back, it's just the exhaust of the bike behind it.
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posted June 21, 2002 03:18 AM
 Edited By: Jse20 on 21 Jun 2002 04:21
Might check out this thread
This thread from SBN talks about how police are now trying to use "stunta videos" as evidence and are starting to hassle sportbiker as they attempt to crack down.
http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82320
 
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posted June 21, 2002 04:01 AM
Those cops would have a ball at a Super Sunday.
They better have a pallet of ticket pads.
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posted June 21, 2002 12:23 PM
Parking Tix inspectors
Well last night in Royal Oak, Detroit (Bike night) there was this reeeally fat'n'short parking ticket inspector dishing out parking tickets to bikes parked next to the meters! There were TONS of bikes parked (all next to each other), but he was ticketing the ones that were closest to the meters! Can you believe this shithead!
It's a pity some losers in life try to take out their frustration by being dicks like this!
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posted June 22, 2002 01:59 PM
"Operation MC Hammer"....no joke.
Yes, the Arizona version of the State Patrol,
called DPS ( Department of Public Safety ), was just recently featured on a local TV station ( KTVK Channel 3)
here in the Phoenix area with some "Extreme" video
of sport-bikers doing all kinds of stupid shit ( My own words, there )
This was broadcast as a COMPLETELY one-sided piece
of "Infotainment" SHIT by the f*cking joke of a the
"news" dept. of this station, alot of cop-video of your standard 160mph chase, along with alot of stunts,
generalizing everyone on a sportbike as doing this.
This is no exaggeration on my part. I posted this on a
local sportbike forum I am on, and it opened a BIG can of worms....
"DiPS" is now calling this a zero-tolerance operation that will be done across the state. A very good way to scare the "puritans" into coughing up some more funding
for their department, to keep those BAD sportbikers in line!!
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posted June 24, 2002 09:58 AM
Edited By: TReMor on 24 Jun 2002 11:04
I have a bit of a different take on this than you guys do. Although I don't agree with harrassing guys at a meet or a "meter maid" getting his rocks off by writing some extra tickets, some of the things that the various public agencies are doing is totally warranted, imho.
Not a week goes by that I don't see some dipshits in full leathers coming back from Palomar doing stand-up wheelies on the freeway in traffic. I can't count the number of times that I have had a pack of dipshits on sportbikes in full leathers pass me in traffic doing well over 100 weaving in and out of lanes, or just spitting the lanes and bombing between cars. I can't count the number of times some squidly dipshit in shorts and a t-shirt has ridden a wheelie away from the light. On Ortega highway (and likely every other popular mountain road, like Palomar and Angeles Crest), bike pass people over the double yellow all day long.
The various videos that are out there (while enjoyable to watch, like World's Dumbest Criminals) don't do anything to counter the belief of the average person that all sportbike riders are dangerous hooligans and 19 year old squids. (If you watch, 3/4 of those guys are wearing nothing more than shorts and a t-shirt too.)
You do this enough times around enough different people, and you're gonna start to get some anti-public sentiment. Pass a few off-duty cops, a few public employees, a councilman, the police chief's wife, whatever, and you're gonna start to get some attention really quick.
I equate it to the street-racing scene which was really prevalent in Ontario, CA and SoCal last summer. Every weekend there were 200+ cars out there, some doing stupid shit. After a few people got injured or killed as a result of racing, the public started to really take notice. Once public outrage grew, the cops had to do something more than just stopping by and breaking it up. They are, after all, a public agency, and work for the public. So, they went in and wrote petty tickets for every violation, and also impounded quite a few cars. They did it for a while, dogging the racers wherever they went. After a while, the racing stopped, or at least toned down to "acceptable levels." Does this mean the ricers with the fart-cannon exhausts stopped doing stupid shit? No. But the public was satisfied that it was being handled, and so it has dropped below the radar (for now.)
Would the average cop have written those tickets in an average setting? I doubt it. Most cops are very reasonable guys. But, once you have enough dipshits to spoil it for everyone, you're going to draw attention and you're gonna get THE MAN hassling you at your meets, regardless of how upfront and legal you are.
I don't blame you for not liking it, but the next time you hear some jackass on his R6 telling his buddies how he rode a third gear wheelie away from a light, or did 150 in traffic, or nearly got hit on the wrong side of the road in a blind corner while bombing his favorite run, you'll know who to thank.
My $.02.
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posted June 24, 2002 11:40 AM
Just wondering
So why do you own a 160hp motorcycle? To do the speed limit, I don't think so. I hope you're just thinking that these guys should know where and when to do their stunts. Like you, I own a specialized high performance sportbike, "2000 R6" and like to hit the corners at more than the posted speed, alot more in some cases and crank a wheelie now and then, but I pick and choose when to do this.
I almost always wear full leathers, and lets be honest, why own a sportbike if you're just gonna cruise? For the comfort? Hell you don't even have to be riding a sportbike for non riders to believe your just a speed freak. Have you never passed anyone at a high rate of speed, busy highway or not? even you've probably pissed off a few people. Anyway....I hope I'm close to your line of thinking and I agree with most of what your saying.
p.s. not everyone that does a stand up wheelie is a dipshit especially if they're wearing full leathers.
just my -.02cents (it's canadian eh)
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posted June 24, 2002 12:06 PM
Edited By: TReMor on 24 Jun 2002 17:25
I kinda thought my view might draw a little fire. Well, here's my thinking on your response. (By the way, I didn't mean to single out R6 riders...I just chose a bike. )
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So why do you own a 160hp motorcycle? To do the speed limit, I don't think so. I hope you're just thinking that these guys should know where and when to do their stunts. Like you, I own a specialized high performance sportbike, "2000 R6" and like to hit the corners at more than the posted speed, alot more in some cases and crank a wheelie now and then, but I pick and choose when to do this.
I totally agree, and you and I are on the same page in regards to that. The people who cannot or will not "pick and choose when to do it" are the reason why people get hassled by THE MAN, imho.
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I almost always wear full leathers, and lets be honest, why own a sportbike if you're just gonna cruise? For the comfort? Hell you don't even have to be riding a sportbike for non riders to believe your just a speed freak. Anyway....I hope I'm close to your line of thinking and I agree with most of what your saying.
Again, I agree with you. There is enough public misconception about bikes in general without having squids out there making it worse for all of us. There is a time and a place for everything. You'll notice no where in my post did I say I have never done any of those things (although I wouldn't cross over the yellow on a mountain road on purpose, and I have no clue how to do a standup wheelie ).
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not everyone that does a stand up wheelie is a dipshit especially if they're wearing full leathers.
Now, doing it on a side road where there is no traffic and you can see both directions, and is relatively "safe?" Hey, more power to ya. Ya gotta practice somewhere, I guess, and I'd much rather you did it on a deserted backroad than on the 215 with Sunday afternoon traffic.
However, doing those types of things in the types of traffic we have in SoCal is being a dipshit, imho, whether you agree or not. I don't give a shit if he's wearing a clownsuit and is on his way to a 3 year old's birthday party, doing stand-up wheelies as he's passing the 75 year old grey-hair on his way back from church is just plain stupid, not to mention a good way to get himself killed.
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Have you never passed anyone at a high rate of speed, busy highway or not? even you've probably pissed off a few people.
There is a big difference between passing someone at a high rate of speed and an entire pack of bikes lane-splitting at 120+ in heavy traffic. Don't forget, lane-splitting is legal in California...some people abuse the crap out of it.
BTW, please don't look at my post as "holier than thou." Believe me, I've done my share of stupid shit. I was just making observations on why Bike Night, like the Street Drags, is gonna get hassled by THE MAN. It's just taking it's turn in the spotlight.
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posted June 24, 2002 12:29 PM
Tim
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...now THAT'S funny!
I agree...most 'reasonable' riders here who are cops are quite reasonable...it doesn't change what we observe out there on the 'mean streets', however...we are, afterall, highly trained observers....we're just passing along what you don't normally see on the six o'clock news.
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posted June 24, 2002 12:31 PM
Well, are cops, or are soon to BE cops.
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posted June 24, 2002 12:34 PM
...and we ride BADASS BIKES!!!...c'mon, everybody...sing with us!!! ....ok, jus' kiddin'
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posted June 24, 2002 03:13 PM
Now that's a response
Those were all the points I agreed with, i.e. speeding in traffic and stunting where you not only hurt yourself but tie up traffic picking up your dumbass body! As if SoCal traffic doesn't suck enough, I'm originaly from Pomona and lived in Glendora for a while too. "Go Charter Oak" Believe me I'm not sticking up for idiots like that! As long as you do your stuff out of harms way and don't compell people to look at us as prospective skin graff victims riding on donorcycles we won't be hassled by you guys who are just doing your job. I cringe everytime I see a guy in shorts and flip flops and no shirt riding their hyperbike, shit every crash I've had my fault and not, I was wearing my full leathers and still got road rash and bruised. What I can't get over is these websites telling people they should run, If you get caught screwing around pay the damn fine, and as for myself I'm one hell of an observatinist, having lived and ridden a sportbike in a busy downtown area, anyway after having some lady pull right infront of me on a one way street suffered what I like to call "spontanious deacceleration trauma" of me and my gixxer, I healed up 6 months later and swapped my sportbike for a loud harley, it was just too frustrating having a bike like my GSXR (750/1213CC 150hp) in that setting, but now that I live in the sticks with plenty of empty farm roads I bought another sportbike (R6) which by the way is in pieces due to an unfortunate chain of events i.e. finished riding 300 miles to Mt.Rainier and Mt.St. Helens finished the twisties pulled into lookout/parking lot stood up to streach legs foot slipped off peg hit ground pulled me back throttle opened I braked front washed out me hit curb hard, 3 broken ribs fractured scapula and some scuffed up leathers...it was some freaky shit but that goes to show you never know when you're gonna crash and crash hard. Anyway I agree with you and good luck becoming a Police Officer! I hate bad guys!!!!! Two stolen bikes and two cars.THIEVING BASTARDS!!!!
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posted June 25, 2002 12:39 PM
yet another shining example of human behaviour: we all want a secure, law abiding society, but none of us (myself very much included) want to pay the price. it's always the other guy we want clamped down on, not realizing that someone else much equally want US put on a shorter leash. we expect security from terrorists but arent willing to submit to random searches. it jsut doesnt work. but hey, thats human nature and hardly a new revelation. man, i'm glad i'm god and dont have to deal with these type of personality traits
no flames intended to anyone in this tread btw. just an observation of myself as much as anything. i seem to be thinking about these kinda personal paradoxis more and more as i get older.
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posted June 25, 2002 01:20 PM
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yet another shining example of human behaviour: we all want a secure, law abiding society, but none of us (myself very much included) want to pay the price. it's always the other guy we want clamped down on, not realizing that someone else much equally want US put on a shorter leash. we expect security from terrorists but arent willing to submit to random searches. it jsut doesnt work. but hey, thats human nature and hardly a new revelation.
That's a very good point, frEEk.
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I recently took a fishing trip to Canada, and I flew from Ontario, CA to Minneapolis, MN to meet up with my family. At the airport, I was "selected" for a cursory search of my carry-on bag and my person. I had no problem with it, and was very courteous and understanding to the security guards as they checked me out. However, there was a guy behind me being very vocal about what an outrage it was, and how he shouldn't have to be subjected to the same types of security checks as "common thugs." He also bitched about having to take his shoes off twice, since they scanned them at the checkpoint, and again before he boarded.
I had to exercise control to keep from blasting him with much of what you said above. I'm sure he was just as shocked and angered by what he saw on 9/11 as the rest of us. However, he wasn't willing to give up that small slice of personal freedom in the name of safer skies, and possibly averting a disaster like that from ever happening again. (That's not to say that random checks make the skies safe, but every little bit helps.)
Do people not realize that terrorists know the average Arab guy is much less likely to blend in, and that the smart terrorist is going to look just like you or me? Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
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Sorry for the off topic post.
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posted June 25, 2002 01:31 PM
By the way, Jumpin J, sorry to hear about your freak accident with the R6. What a wild deal that must have been.  I've been down twice myself, once in full gear, once in *cough* shorts and a t-shirt *cough*, and I know how you feel. Good luck with the recovery, bro.
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posted June 25, 2002 03:14 PM
i agree that it is our responsibility to be aware of our surroundings, and to ensure that our antics do not harm others. there is NO excuse for me hurting somoeone doing a wheelie on the freeway, wrecking, causing them to hit jersey-wall and crash.
however on the thread of 'relinquishing personal freedoms to prevent terrorist attacks in the future" i personally do not agree. the same checks that you went through, the bag searches etc, would not have prevented that 9/11 incident, as a box cutter i personally don't think would have been caught. especially the 'searches' i was put through. (and yes i had to take my shoes off too)( i say 'seraches' since not a one of them would have uncovered a 12" bowie knife, much less a box cutter)
what this has done is allowed the government to decide it needs more power over you, the LAW ABIDING citizen. you have done nothing wrong. NOTHING. yet you are treated as a common criminal whenever you enter airport now. you are looked at with suspicion because you aren't one of them.
in israel, someone said this of american 'airport security' :"In Israel we look for terrorists. in America, they look for weapons"
next time it wont be a box cutter. (hopefully there ISNT a next time, we can hope passengers will be more observant themselves, i know i took hard close look at the others i was seated around, deciding who would be useful in a 'situation') next time it will be something else the security folks aren't looking for. plastic thing in shaving kit or whatnot, heck they could take something from plane itself and beat people with it, who knows.
in the name of "homeland security" the government is using this as an excuse to blame this whole sordid affair on us, the people. we who are too "self centered" to give up freedom for the sake of "security". bah.
a long time ago, there was a document written, and put into efect. it became the law of the land. under that document, our government is supposed to abide by ITS terms. at every opportunity, someone with power fetish tries to take more power than was allowed, and we the people, have let it. usually for the sake of some gov't-righteous plea for "homeland security" or some such crap.
it is about power, and sorry, but the people are supposed to have it. not a person, or a small group.
anyway sorry about that, but i hate hearing good people buying into the government's plans to eventually become like great britain, cameras everywhere, on the streets etc, people watched, no sense of home or privacy. no freedom to say anything out against anything, because it will be taped and catalogued and databased. and absolutely NO freedom to protect themselves. it is bad enough already, but sorry when i am at home, i prefer to not be scrutinized. oh, and BTW the CARB wants all cars to have transponders onthem so that they can issue tickets to people for emmissions violations automatically, the OBD4 (i think) supports this sort of thing. every so often (few miles or so) the car will be querried by trasnmitter, and transponder will reply with emmissions system data(ie faults, system ok etc), owner/registration details.
they would never use this data to see hwere you go on regular basis, where you drive. oh no not them...coming soon to a street near you....
im sure the other rednecks out there like me will NOT like having someone videotaping their homelife, and reporting every phone call and every visitor to catalogue YOUR habits...
anyway enough on this...
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posted June 25, 2002 07:29 PM
It's a double edged sword...
... and no, you can have your cake and eat it too.
The opinion of riding a sportbike in a "hazardous matter" will always be in the eyes of the non-riding observer, not the rider. "Crack downs", "stepped up enforcement" or what ever you wish to call it, just doesn't pop up because the local government needs additional finances for their pet projects.
It is in response to the cell phone yaking, SUV or minivan driving soccer moms and other similar paranoid motoring public. BUT... remember that like advertising, it's "perception". What is it that these people see that offends them so?
Well, I think it has already been mentioned countless times. Lane splitting, ULTRA high speed passing (especially on a double yellow), wheelies, and so on. Just like in my letter to a state rep that I posted here, just the appearance of a sportbike being piloted by someone wearing brightly colored leathers is enough to send some cagers into a tizzy.
I'm sorry, but from a PR standpoint, we have had a major role in creating this problem and without a serious and long term effort by us, it will only get worse. I can not count the times that I have come up on some cager who has just had the shit scared out of them by a bunch of squids that blew past them while there was oncoming traffic.
When I get behind them, they think I'm with the other group and start driving like an idiot. Either they speed up in an attempt to keep me from passing, the slow way down in an area where I wouldn't even think of passing or they'll just spend all their time looking in the mirror and not paying attention to where they are going.
I could go on for ever about examples of how others react when the just see a sportbike, but I'm sure that everyone here has countless similar experiences. I hope you get my point.
Like the ownership of a firearm, riding a sportbike comes with responsibilities. Unfortunately, sportbike riding is not a constitutionally protected right. Thus, in some aspects, sportbike riding requires even more responsible conduct.
This is on of the main reasons why I do not ride in the city (too dangerous) and on interstates/major highways (too boring). If I was to ride in the city, I'd lose my license within a week or get killed. It's not me... it's the bike. There is just no way that my bike will operate below 60 mph. I don't know why, but that's just the way it is.
What I'm trying to say is that in owning a sportbike, I have nothing to prove. Not to other riders. Not to the cagers. Not to ANYONE. Thus I tend to be a little more aware of when and where I choose to "misbehave". Of course I pass on a double yellow, but I don't treat others on the road as back markers and I sure as hell don't look at them as a captive audience to observe my "riding skills". They would appreciate it and I don't care about their opinion on that matter.
What I do care about is what they think of me as a sportbike rider. I don't just blow by them and when I pass, I do so knowing that they were fully aware that I was back there and I wave as a show of thanks after I pass. I DO want them to know that not everyone that rides a bike with lower fairs is a threat to them and their loved ones.
I find it far more of a challenge to my riding skills to treat each moment of a ride as a chess game. Not just the next move, but several moves in advance require to be thought out well before I've done a thing. Some have an "infantry assault" attitude when the ride and attack every corner and cager like they are trying to qualify for the Daytona 200. I prefer the "sniper on the hilltop" attitude. I'm willing to wait for the appropriate time to do what I want. That's just it... I'm doing what I WANT! Not what other riders or cagers want.
I look at "public displays" of hooliganism like screwing one's wife or girlfriend in the middle of a busy intersection. It might be cool, but I really don't care to see it and I sure as hell know ya'll wouldn't care to see me screwing YOUR wife or girlfriend in that intersection. "Illegal acts" occur dozens of times every second. Even when narrowing it down to the scope of sportbike riding. Does this mean we have the "right" to do such "acts" in the plain view of everyone else in the community? Not if we wish to keep riding sportbikes, because like urban tales, there is some basis of fact.
Do I like getting hassled by the man? No, but since I bother to take the time to have all the proper paperwork, insurance and licensing endorsements, as well save my hooliganisms for when I'm not under the watchful eyes of paid observers (police) or the paranoid public... it's never really been a hassle. That's also why for the 29 times I was not aware I was being "observed" (got pulled over), I still have a clean record.
Either your part of the problem or your part of the solution. When it comes to sportbike riding... there is no middle ground.
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posted June 25, 2002 08:47 PM
btw slug, just wanted to clarify that i was not actually suggesting people shoudl submit to greater government control over their lives, jsut using it as an example of how people want it all. u can live in a society as secure as a communist state, or u can have ur freedoms, just not both. which u prefer is up to u and i'm not the type to convince a person either way. in hindsight, perhaps using such a charged example wasnt the best idea :\
tremor, u provided a perfect example of the problem i'm tryin to communicate with the complainer. he said he didnt want to be treated like a common thug.....AND HOW THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW HE'S NOT A COMMON THUG?!? this is what gets me. people are so blinded by bias that they never see anyone else's point of view. even when u describe it to them ad nauseum [sp], they just deny their nose between their eyes. half of us bitch about being stopped by the cops but we break all kinds a laws most of the time we go for a ride. and then we bitch about all the stupid cagers breakin laws & how they should all be taken off the road. hey, i'm as guilty of this as anyone, & i think in many cases we are right, at least to some degree. problem is, as we think we're right ALWAYS, the stupid cagers prolly think they'r right ALWAYS too. i think that its the importance we place onparticular concepts that causes the problem. to me, being aware of the driver(s) behind u is very important, and driving in such a way as to not get in their way (a practice i always follow when in my cage), but speed is not. on the other hand, some cager believes keeping speed down is of top priotiry since they have been bombarded by these stupid "speed kills" adverts (there goes my bias again  ) to the point that they honestly believe going over the spped limit will guarantee ur death.
what all this babbling boils down to is that it's worth trying to see the other person's point of view. at best, it helps me adjust my behaviour to be a better person in some small way, at worst it just calms me down as i realize the "offender" isnt just out to screw me personally.
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