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posted May 11, 2007 10:33 AM
Poll Question:
Credibility?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credibility
Poll Results:
 5 votes (26%)
SHIPHTEEY
11 votes (58%)
RAC4IT
3 votes (16%)
Who cares just beat his ass
  
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VincentHill
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posted May 11, 2007 12:01 PM
Let me see if I posted this same kind Poll on the ZX14 side?? I wonder if I would do as Well 
SOmetimes you can just strike (I did not mean Hit) people the wrong way. Looks like that to me!
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rac4it
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posted May 11, 2007 01:06 PM
Probably get the same results on labusas and sh.org, are you getting the clear picture yet Ali?
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shiphteey
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posted May 11, 2007 01:24 PM
 Edited By: shiphteey on 11 May 2007 14:27
Crystal. I clicked on "results" an hour ago and it had 3 votes for me and 1 for you, none for choice C. Now its showing 1 for me and 3 for you with 2 votes for C.
How ironic....kind of like the title of this thread. Oh wait, look who started the thread, I guess that explains the variances in the polls. You know, I hear their hiring for the 2008 elections in FL, you should look into that.
Only an insecure loser would have to make up a silly little poll like that to make themselves feel better, just begging for community approval. Ugh....how nauseating.
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rac4it
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Bergie
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posted May 11, 2007 01:54 PM
Edited By: rac4it on 11 May 2007 15:32
Hahaha, yeah Ali, tell yourself that.
I guess that's why I'm getting PM's like these (which WILL remain anonymous):
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' ' Maybe I can make up to Maxton to hold this greasy taliban motherfucker down for you...lol.
I wanna kick his ass too. Maybe have fish or freek nuke the topic so you're covered legally.
Ill pull a paper bag over his head then you can beat his ass good without reprocussions...lol. ' '
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' ' I wasn't planning on going to Maxton till fall, but I may have to come to buy you a beer and post bond if necessary. I have wanted to lay a beating on this kid ever since the first time he showed up at Maxton. ' '
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I do not condone the racial remarks but its fairly obvious that you are not as well liked as you believe.
Keep running your mouth, you're good at making friends.
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shane661
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posted May 11, 2007 02:39 PM
Edited By: shane661 on 11 May 2007 15:40
You know, this whole conflict sucks. I hope someone will take the high road soon. This kind of hate has no place at Maxton, on this board, or anywhere, as far as I am concerned.
Shane
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shiphteey
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posted May 11, 2007 02:39 PM
Yeah, you're right Bergie, I would just make up poll results! Fabricating the truth isn't something that is 2nd nature to me. Maybe you can give me some tips on running in the gas class while I have a bottle aboard?
Bergie, are you that dillusional to think people haven't PMed me about how they feel about you, honestly? How self-absorbed can you get? The difference is you lack the
MATURITY
to recognize when to use some discretion. For example, in your zealousness to gain credibility and friends you posted that PM not knowing that based on the words, tone and history there can only be a few people who said that, an I already know EXACTLY who it is, if what you're posting is actually true (which, again is questionable given the recent finding huh?) The thing is, it doesn't bother me in the least! However, you feeling the need to post some more disses does nothing more than show your true colors Mr. Haterade. LOL and I like the part where you had to put in bold the PC racial disclosure, haha.....really believable. If you don't condone racial remarks, why even mention it, no one was accusing you, you were just quoting, right?
Somehow you think its a popularity contest, as if it was a contest at "making friends". Grow up. You talk about me as a "kid" and yet as a 37 year old you're coming across as nothing but an immature and insecure has-been.
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VincentHill
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posted May 11, 2007 04:18 PM
Even I have had enough of watching 2 people I care a lot about. Someone has to be the Man here and just stop Posting! When this happend the other person has to let it alone also You both had the last word!
Ali, You know the difference in being in the money and not being in the Money! Bergie you know the same thing I cannot get my engine back together until I find the money for some new Pistons.
Ali a Set of Wheels took your, Bergie a set of Babies, Moving to another state and having to get a Hose took yours!
A 77 year old Gas Furnace with Nazi cross on the gas valves took $4,400 Cash I had planned for my Bike.
What I am getting at is Circumstances can put us all in a position we never planned to get to.
SO when everyone can get their stuff together and race, then lets do it on the track.
No law or rule that says that anyone has to Like anyone, Respect anyone, or Agree with anyone! As much as I pissed the ZX14 crowd off, the worse they got was not this bad and when they did go over the line, they even apologized for just how bad they got. THIS IS WORSE than the 14 side and I am embarassed to see this on the 12 side
PLEASE let it go guys! Please!!
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rac4it
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Bergie
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posted May 11, 2007 04:47 PM
I'll let it go when he apologizes for declaring me a cheater; nothing short of that will prevent conflict.
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shiphteey
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posted May 11, 2007 05:54 PM
Ain't no way I'd ever even consider apologizing unless you apologize for being a complete dick to me starting back in 05. You've even ADMITTED it yourself that you singled me out, so it wasn't just coincidence, it was premeditated, much like your physical threats.
You apologize for being a complete asshole to me from day one and I'll apologize for declaring you a cheater. You cast the 1st stone, and technically the first 20, this is what you got in return. You had it coming for a while Bergie.
I'm sure the last thing the ECTA needs to deal with is some lunkhead trying to start crap at a land speed event. They are already short staffed as it is. I'm sure you're well aware of their abilities, hell you were nice enough to even donate some electronics to them! Like everyone else, I'm going to have fun and go as fast as I can, I'm sure you'll do the same. Wanting to take it to a physical level is just an embarassment to the sport. Harness some of that mental energy into getting focused for the race. You have 7 days and its been years since you've done it...needless to say there will be cobwebs to shake regardless of your perceived abilities! Wasting your time on hating and plotting is undoubtedly going to seep into your performance on a concious and subconcious level, period, and I can assure you you will go SLOWER.
You don't feel like you owe me an apology? Hey, fine by me, neither do I. And best believe I go to Maxton too often to bring non-sense drama to it. You want to still bring drama, I'm sure I'm not the only one you'll have to worry about. And thats no threat.
Over the last 18 months or so you've spit your (admittedly) condescending advice, maybe its time you listen up:
Throw YOUR ego out the window, come back to LSR, make some passes and show everyone you still haven't lost your mojo. We'll be running similar speeds so it will undoubtedly end up being good competition. Bergie, you are more focused in the drag racing world obviously and I am more focused on LSR. There will be times when we overlap, thats natural. But we're not really in the same class when you think about it. I'm not going to stretch my swingarm and you're not going to go 400 hp turbo and go for 240+ mph. Be secure in what you have accomplished, as I am. Realize that when you keep dissing someone over and over it just may come back at you, harder than you anticipated and that in this case you had it coming.
I will leave you with this because Vincent Hill is right. We are 2 guys who are passionate about our bikes, our sport and have pride in our accomplishments. We can choose to drop it right here: you stay outta my way, I stay outta yours. No trash talking, no dissing, we're DONE. Agree to disagree type thing. Or you can keep on perpetuating it.
For respect to the ECTA, fellow racers including Vincent Hill, as much as I feel that I am morally justified by exposing you I will let it go. Even if you choose not to, no personal attacks even if you continue.
The ball is now in your court.
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BROOKLYNNYZX12
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posted May 11, 2007 05:56 PM
Can't we settle this at the Grudge Race...or at least part of it...
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shiphteey
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posted May 11, 2007 06:48 PM
Edited By: shiphteey on 11 May 2007 19:55
Sure. But I run mid 9s and Bergie runs high 8s. Apples and oranges when you have a big motor thats stretched for a short distance race. Besides, he's already pointed out that my times are essentially piss poor...essentially one has to run 9.50 or faster on a stock arm to "earn his respect" n/a even though he's run 9.58
Now if Bergie wanted to meet up at the 9/10 this Fall, THAT would be something! I think he'd jump out a couple bikes and I'd reel him in by the trap, putting 2-3 bikes on him. That would be like a mix of 1/4 mile head to head action but with Maxton-esque distance. And I already know there will be PLENTY of people who'd want a lane with him down there! FL and GA aren't THAT far away.
Again none of this would really show much, I think the issue still is the disrepect that each of us feels. I'll wait for him to respond since the ball is in his court.
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posted May 11, 2007 07:02 PM
I guess the east coast americans do things differently then up here is western canada ?
See if Mr.Bergie was an actual racer who wasn't cheating then he would prove it at the track....
Cheating or not to physically threaten another rider means your just an asshole no matter how fast you are 
And becuase you have a serious weight advantage over ali and still you threaten him means your probably a coward to ......
Ali you need to remember that the motorcycling community is large and there are lots of people doing lots things. Some guys are in it for the love of the ride while others are here just for personal stroking ..... which one are you ?
Now I don't want to hear bad things so if you two need help then I recommend calling this number 1-800-BIRD-CAGE......they can help you get whatever large immovable object is lodged in your asses out returning you guys to normal racers
Or PM me cuase these "buckets of fuck" really need to stop !!!!!
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posted May 11, 2007 08:48 PM
 such as this sure stirs up the hits though huh, whether its in ZX12 or over in ZX14
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posted May 12, 2007 02:41 AM
Gee; I though that by riding a 12 we are part of a very "exclusive club." and that we were all brothers and sisters.
But you two seem to enjoy slinging mud. Which is fine in house but NOT out in public.
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rac4it
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Bergie
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posted May 12, 2007 08:24 AM
quote:
Ain't no way I'd ever even consider apologizing unless you apologize for being a complete dick to me starting back in 05. You've even ADMITTED it yourself that you singled me out, so it wasn't just coincidence, it was premeditated, much like your physical threats.
You apologize for being a complete asshole to me from day one and I'll apologize for declaring you a cheater. You cast the 1st stone, and technically the first 20, this is what you got in return. You had it coming for a while Bergie.
So your method is to call someone a cheater, with no proof, because you're feelings were hurt by my posts? WTF dude. Are you 10 years old? Why wait until 2007 to call me a cheat for a record I set in 2002?
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I'm sure the last thing the ECTA needs to deal with is some lunkhead trying to start crap at a land speed event. They are already short staffed as it is.
Then maybe you'll explain why you're spreading rumors about cheating to the ECTA with no proof. You have some things to learn Ali.
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you were nice enough to even donate some electronics to them!
I've also donated my time, as well as equipment. I've volunteered at events at the starting line with Al, and I've worked behind the scenes on the website. Have you volunteered yet or are your grand plans to call respected ECTA members and record holders cheaters 5 years after the fact.
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Wanting to take it to a physical level is just an embarassment to the sport. Harness some of that mental energy into getting focused for the race.
Embarrassment is calling someone a CHEAT Ali. WTF is wrong with you dude? I'm completely amazed how you've managed to live this long since nobody has beaten your ass for the shit that runs out of your mouth.
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dissing someone over and over it just may come back at you, harder than you anticipated and that in this case you had it coming.
Making shit up or spreading false rumors is not justified retaliation for your hurt feelings. Anything I said that made you mad was certainly not a LIE.
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We can choose to drop it right here: you stay outta my way, I stay outta yours. No trash talking, no dissing, we're DONE. Agree to disagree type thing.
There's nothing to agree to disagree about! You called me a cheater, plain and simple.
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as much as I feel that I am morally justified by exposing you I will let it go. Even if you choose not to, no personal attacks even if you continue.
morally justified for exposing what? You are spreading lies! Calling me a cheat!? All you've accomplished is to make another enemy. You have proved nothing except when you think something can't be done it must be cheating.
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posted May 12, 2007 09:50 AM
Bergie, from the evidence that I have amassed, it is overwhelmingly clear you didn't run a legit motor. Believe me, I am not the only one who knows whats up either, P-L-E-N-T-Y of others know. You know you've been checked on it for a while now, actually COUNTLESS posts and whenever the subject comes up you scurry away like a cockroach in the kitchen when the lights are flicked on, is that NOT the case? Guess you figured our physical size difference would be all you needed to "flex" a little since plenty of others have checked you on it and you were comletely silent.
Tell me Bergie, actually, tell many of us that have followed the threads: How come EVERY SINGLE TIME you got questioned/checked/nailed on it you wiggled away?!? Like nailing jello to the wall! Only when someone like me came along and got sick and tired of your admittedly intentional singling out that you finally sent me that PM? If you are soooooooooooooooooooooooo innocent like you're pretending to be, how come on day one or early in the game you didn't refute it? Like a guilty little child who got sneaking in after curfew there was nothing for you to do but slump your shoulders and drag your feet to your bedroom. Over and over and over you said nothing! Every time you got caught in a lie you said NOTHING and NOW you wanna talk all tough because you think you are so big and bad and are so well respected? Please, you don't have anyone fooled!
So what, you just take innuendos and allegations from others whom you don't single out, then when it comes your way from someone who has singled out you run around like a gorilla demanding his banana!
Anyone can see through it. And still, you've still not answered how come when you got questioned on your 1361 displacement you went running back to your home page to take that off of there before others questioned your legitimacy, REMEMBER? I'm sure you'll duck this though, you always do.
So once again, in conclusion, no, from my arrival "on the scene" so to speak, I didn't know about your true colors. Your tone was irritating but I figured you were probably compensating for something, who knows. As more and more information surfaced I decided to do a bit of my own research, and what I found was a bit surprising, but, after digesting it all it made sense why your responses were laced with 1/2 truths (i.e. Claiming you've gone xxx mph "n/a" .... casually leaving out that it was on a big motor!....in an attempt to trivialize my debut runs on nitrous). It continued, on and on and on and on and it wouldn't take much effort for me to post proof, but as you already admitted to you premeditatedly and intentionally did it so why waste time and effort on that?
Based on the knowledge I have gained from several sources including insiders (sorry, unlike you NO CLUES because even dates/times/places or details would probably have you figure out WHO dropped a dime on YOU). You have burned quite a bit of bridges and yet you are so quick to try and paint yourself up into this stand-up guy but I have found overwhelming evidence to the contrary. In any case, I as well as MANY on here firmly believe you didn't use a legal motor.
You are right, respect is EARNED! It isn't just about the numbers you put up, its the big picture, and while you have put in time and money (volunteering etc) you nevertheless ended up taking shots at the wrong person for too long. I thought about it long and hard, looked at it from many different angles, played out the "what ifs", etc. but I'm still GLAD that you have been exposed.
I'm glad that people know whats up, I'm GLAD that people can see you kept quiet about it and only decided to go off on me because of your perceived physical size advantage. I'm glad that people see how insecure you are based on your attempts to diminish my accomplishments and see you puffing out your chest 5 years later on a questionable record, I'm glad people know your true colors and how you have absolutely no respect for the ECTA by wanting to make your little come-back party a slugfest as well, even if it meant cops got involved, which could very well lead to the whole event being cancelled if not at LEAST delays (which NO racer wants because those days of "hotlapping" are over) all because you are so self-absorbed with your own "justified" retaliation (feigned no less) in an effort side-track the issue.
Now again, we are back to square one. You feel like I have dragged your name and creditbility in the mud and I feel that you have pissed on my accomlishments. You feel you are more "wronged" and I fee like I am more "wronged". What now? Again, you will NEVER get an apology from me, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ADMITTED YOUR PROVOCATION WAS ALL INTENTIONAL FROM DAY ONE! You just confessed to being an intentional dickhead for crissakes! But if you apologize first, as stated before I will AFTERWARDS. Nothing less is remotely fair. I was actually doing you a favor by keeping my mouth shut for that long figuring you'd basically find something else to do instead of diss me always (like, you know, go RACE or something!) but you kept at it, so here we are.
All this "kid" talk and yet you are the 37 year old here. A grown man with children no less! Realize that you were wrong from day one with me, apologize for it, and I will for "claiming" you had an "illegal" motor in public (of cousre that also means the topic ceases to come from my lips in private too, whats right is right). The book is closed, you move on and I move on. We race at Maxton, you stay outta my way, I stay outta yours.
You claim your motto of "Don't Be Scared" is a way of life, prove it. Prove that you aren't scared of coming correct when you admitted to being whack from day one.
Again Bergie, ball is in YOUR court.
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rac4it
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Bergie
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posted May 12, 2007 10:01 AM
Hahaha, Ali you've dug your own grave.
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shiphteey
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posted May 12, 2007 10:29 AM
Wow. Thats it? All that and thats all you say? If anything your threats only make you look more guilty at this point! But I'm done here. See you at Maxton.
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VincentHill
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posted May 12, 2007 02:37 PM
quote:
I guess the east coast americans do things differently then up here is western canada ?
See if Mr.Bergie was an actual racer who wasn't cheating then he would prove it at the track....
Cheating or not to physically threaten another rider means your just an asshole no matter how fast you are
And becuase you have a serious weight advantage over ali and still you threaten him means your probably a coward to ......
Ali you need to remember that the motorcycling community is large and there are lots of people doing lots things. Some guys are in it for the love of the ride while others are here just for personal stroking ..... which one are you ?
Now I don't want to hear bad things so if you two need help then I recommend calling this number 1-800-BIRD-CAGE......they can help you get whatever large immovable object is lodged in your asses out returning you guys to normal racers
Or PM me cuase these "buckets of fuck" really need to stop !!!!!
The only problem with this is at Maxton. your speed is dependent of 3 factors HP, Aerodynamics and the WInd Direction
both of them can control the first 2 but it is the THIRD one that can have a 10 MPH Effect. No wind 200 Tail wind 205 head wind 195.
The larger you are, the more the effect of the wind. I head wind would Hurt Bergie more and a tail wind would help Ali the least. The worst part is that the wind changes in a few seconds and even if one after the other the conditions will be different!
Take a ZX14 which is over the 1350 limit with better aero's Bergie's records are slower than they have even with the Best rider Chad. 202 + was his record (204 out the back door) the thing is, he did it a long time ago when very little was known about how to make the 12 go really fast. I do not think he even had a Power Commander at the time so even more impressive.
Ali who started off knowing very little (Including where the return road was) has all by him self moved to the top of the chart on his own penny (He does not have a Dime). He also had gone to Bonneville which most of us have not done either! Add to that the Texas Mile and the 9/10th he is only short Mirage, Australia, UK and South Africa to complete his sweep! That is a lot on a penny!
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posted May 13, 2007 02:14 PM
Bergie <--- rhymes with "Fergie"......scary thought
but great thread to watch~ 
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posted May 14, 2007 04:34 AM
Damn I hope this gets ironed out on the track. All the physical threats are really a bunch of bs. If threats are on line via pm or post it seems that there is documentation of this whole ordeal. Shit if you two can iron this out by Maxton, I'll buy the fucking beer. Relax guys this shit is supposed to be fun.
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VincentHill
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posted May 14, 2007 04:45 AM
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Damn I hope this gets ironed out on the track. All the physical threats are really a bunch of bs. If threats are on line via pm or post it seems that there is documentation of this whole ordeal. Shit if you two can iron this out by Maxton, I'll buy the fucking beer. Relax guys this shit is supposed to be fun.
AMEN!!
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