Ninjaman12R
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posted June 12, 2002 03:41 AM
Fucking Tire Eating Sonofabitch !!!!!
I know most of us that tap in to the 12s power a lot know how hard the thing is on tires, but now I'm at an all time low. About 1000 miles is all I'm getting out of the rear 010 now. I was getting between 1600-2000 miles out of a rear tire before I piped and PC'd the bike. My current rear tire doesn't even have 1000 miles on it yet and it is well into the wear indicators.
I know my size and "Have No Mercy" riding style don't help things. Plus the gazillion power, and clutch wheelies everytime I go riding taxes the rear tire pretty good too. I'm thinking of going back to the stock gearing in hopes that it will make things a little easier for the rear tire.
The guys I ride with here locally say that I'm just laying darkies like mad, even out of some 3rd gear corners.  I know for a fact that I got WAY sideways in a tight 2nd gear left hander this past Sunday. I had a good line and was gonna get a hard drive out of the turn and got down on the gas pretty early. When I did it was like WHOA!!!!! The tire spun up bad and the bike stepped WAY out. I'm used to it drifting just a bit, or maybe spinning enough to step out maybe 6 inches or so, but we're talking fucking dirt-tracking here. Instead of feathering out of the gas as I normally would, and should've, I just let out of it all at once. I cannot believe I didn't highside like a MF. A close one for sure.
I'm thinking that with the stock gearing it may soften the hit a little, and make life for the rear tire easier. Don't get me wrong, I think that the 17/47 gearing is the way to go, especially in the twisties, but damn I am tired of buying tires, and more importantly, CHANGING tires. I'm gonna wear the freakin' threads out on the rear axle. I've actually lost count of how many rear tires I've put on the bike and it has a little over 8000 miles on it. Fucking sad eh? What do you guys think?????
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posted June 12, 2002 04:09 AM
...I think ya' ought to slow down, son...smell the roses ...you're a big boy now (literally! ), well, you know the drill...I'm projecting to get 6000+ from my 010s with my 17/48 combo, but then, I'm not as brave or talented as you...wish I knew how to wheelie and lay darkies, too
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posted June 12, 2002 04:16 AM
Yah, what he said! 
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Ninjaman12R
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posted June 12, 2002 04:38 AM
Ahh,..........OK....
Yeah slowing down would probably help. But the 12 is SO much fun to ride hard. I've really have been trying to slow the pace a bit, and did ride a little more reserved on this last Gap trip. It just seems that when I'm here in "my own backyard" on roads that I ride almost every Sunday it's hard not to let the 12 loose, especially when I've got the bike working so well. It's pretty easy to ride the thing fast, but deep down I know I'm riding it too hard on public roads. Hell I may have to sell the thing and get a slower bike, I don't really want to do that, but it may be the answer????????
The 12's power is very addictive, I don't know if I could ever part with the thing.
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posted June 12, 2002 04:45 AM
 Edited By: Otis on 12 Jun 2002 05:45
My rear had 300 some miles on it before the Gap and after 600 or so miles at the Gap I'm looking at replacing it very soon too Rick.
Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday things got a bit crazy here at work.
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posted June 12, 2002 05:39 AM
No Problem....
No problem C, I know how things can get frantic at work.
I am a bit perplexed by the tire situation though. You don't ride wheelies or get into the hooliganistics as much as I do, I figured you'd get more milage out of them. My tires only had a handful (less than 25) miles on them before the gap trip. The front is fine (of course ) but the rear is pretty much (is) toast. I need to look at my maintenance sheet where I document this stuff and see, but I'd be shocked if the rear has 800 miles on it. When we went to the gap last September I rode instead of trailering which is 800 miles round trip, plus whatever we rode while we were there, and still had some miles left in the tire. But that was before the Yosh, and PC3R. I know the bike is making more power, but DAMN!!!! I love the grip the 010 gives, and up until these last couple of tires I bragged about how they got decent milage when compared to the 207s. But now I'm at a loss.
I put a tire on at the end of February figuring that I'd be able to run it while we were on the gap trip considering that there wouldn't be much riding weather until the trip. There wasn't much riding weather, and I didn't ride the bike much at all. I more or less was just riding it and playing with my maps. Shortly before the trip I looked at the rear tire and was astonished at how it had "evaporated". I looked at the odometer, then pulled my sheet out and I think the tire had 600 miles on it and was at the wear indicators. I chalked it up to maybe getting a bad tire or something, but that isn't the case. I've got a new 010 rear tire at home that will be going on real soon, but I'm going to try something else out and see how it holds up. The sucky part is that I love the way the 010s work on my bike, very confidence inspiring. Oh well,.... as Harry would say "Two tears in a bucket,...fuck it".
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posted June 12, 2002 05:57 AM
Well, I'm sure the two burnouts I did din't help matters much. lol But at anyrate I will NOT go back to 207's or even bother with he 208' or pilots. I like the 010's and feel very comfortable on em. I look at it this way, if ya ride a 170+hp bike you pay the price in skins. I can't imagine any tire is going to give you more miles unless you go with sport touring tire but why would you do that? We're already stepping the rear out on exits, with a sport touring tire we'd be in trooouuuubbbbblllleeeee.
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posted June 12, 2002 06:22 AM
Edited By: Ninjaman12R on 12 Jun 2002 07:26
For Sure....
No doubt man, a ST tire would be a major mistake. I'd probably throw the bike away on the first ride with a ST tire. I think I'm gonna try going back to the stock gearing and see if it helps. It's not a big deal to change it back if I don't like it, or can't adapt to it. I do love the way the bike just tears out of corners with the 17/47 gearing, but that's punishing the shit out of the rear tire. The bike won't be slow with stock gearing, but I figure corner exits will not be as exciting. 
Oh yeah,...let the record state that steping out on exits RULES!!!! It kinda lets you know your doing about all you can do without going over the edge. Just as long as it ain't like my experience Sunday, then it SUCKS!!! I thought I was Jay Springsteen for a second or two. 
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posted June 12, 2002 06:26 AM
Damn dude...wtf are you doin to those tires?
I do some SERIOUS burnouts from time to time and these 010s still look like they just came outta the box :/
Id have to say you ride on some rough ass roads
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posted June 12, 2002 06:30 AM
Honestly...
I ride hard, even when I'm chillin'. Ask Otis or Harry, they'll tell you. I thrash the 12 like it's a 600 and that's no bullshit.
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Otis
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posted June 12, 2002 06:40 AM
Don't go back to the 18t front meat. That's like having a sweet peice of ass then settling for Mimi from the Drew Carey show.
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posted June 12, 2002 06:46 AM
YIKES!!!!!!
Dude that is just plain wrong..............
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posted June 12, 2002 06:49 AM
Do the math
Powerful regeared bike + healthy sized boy + "grippy" roads = rapid tire wear.
That "formula" applies to me. The slowest guy here. Dunlops last at or less then 2K. Pilots last around 2400. The Rennsports I had at the Gap will be toast at about 1800.
Now, in YOUR case, let's take the results of the above formula and add in the "Ninjaman factor"...
Rapid tire wear + blazingly fast + hooliganism = WTF WERE YOU THINKIN'?
You play... you pay!
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posted June 12, 2002 06:55 AM
One thing you might try is an Avon azzarro II rear tire. I ran one on mine and was happy with tthe level of grip.I don't ride quite as hard as you do, but then again, I am a good bet heavier too, so maybe it isn't so much difference to the tire. Anyway, the reason the Avons lasted longer for me, isn't that they are a harder compound (I don't think), but if you look at them new, they have a LOT deeper tread. They just have more rubber in the first place. Seems that more tire makers would have thought of that, huh?
Keep the compound soft for grip, but add more depth for wear.
Anyway, it worked for me.
Steve
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posted June 12, 2002 06:56 AM
Ah,....well,......DAMMIT !!!!!!
Sherm,
I don't know what the hell I'm thinkin'. I guess I'm just tripping,literally. HOW can even think I'm gonna get any milage riding the way I do? Admittedly, do you guys notice that about once every 3 months I start bitching about tire wear???? Hmmmm..????? I just need to relax.
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posted June 12, 2002 07:16 AM
Good point Steve.
Sherman, I like how you used "Healthy Sized Boy" in lieu of fatass MF.
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posted June 12, 2002 07:22 AM
???? Hmmmm..????? I just need to relax.
Yeah, that's like telling bears not to shit in the woods..lol
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posted June 12, 2002 07:25 AM
THat just may be the funniest thread I've seen on this board.
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posted June 12, 2002 09:24 AM
Doug....
More like sad but true.
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posted June 12, 2002 09:29 AM
True
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???? Hmmmm..????? I just need to relax.
Yeah, that's like telling bears not to shit in the woods..lol
Truer words have never been spoken Otis.
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posted June 12, 2002 09:32 AM
Hey Crack Head
Rick,
You crazy son-a-bitch you are whinning like a stuck pig. I got 1400 miles out of 207 after the Gap trip. One other thing is the pavement down there seems to be much more abrasive then up here.
Maybe you can get some of the old fashion solid plastic tires like the one on you big wheel.
Love,
Bart
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posted June 12, 2002 09:37 AM
Good Idea......
If I get some of those "Big Wheel" plastic tires before Gap 4 then you might actually be able to say you "Rode" with me. Much love to you brother, and remember "It's all about the shoes Bay Bee"!!!!!
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posted June 12, 2002 09:39 AM
I have a friend that was complaining about the same thing, but he only got 60 miles out of his tire. (Yes sixty miles) I told him, why are you complaining when all you do is burnouts. Here's the deal, your tire can last a long time or a short time depending on how you ride. Changing the gearing, using different brand tires, playing with pressures, and whatever else is not going to do SHIT, if you don't change your riding style. You don't need to exit EVERY turn balls to the wall. Try rolling into the power. Use the power to wheelie instead of the clutch.
I've seen several riders (Including myself) change there riding style after being tossed off or crashing. For years I used to exit and enter highway (That I knew) at full lean until I hit some oil and low-sided. There's nothing that will make you think about the way you ride more then having a mishap.
Do yourself a favor and take a good look at your riding style and protect yourself. The tires are just money, do it for you. If you can't change your riding style don't complain about eating tires.
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posted June 12, 2002 10:34 AM
Ah....
Koz,
I've been tossed and had my share of road rash etc., even though I ride hard, I ride within my limitations. I don't exit every corner balls out, but when I'm on roads that I'm familiar with, and have made a warm-up pass through to check for gravel in corners, and other hazzards, I will wick it up pretty good on my second pass. I agree that changing my riding style will help with the tire wear, but that is something that may or may not happen. All I'm looking for is a happy medium.
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posted June 12, 2002 12:25 PM
Moto Gp riders and 16.5" wheels etc.
Ninja man (and any other hooligans out there)....
Don't know if this will help but here goes. Back in 1999/98 in GP racing riders were having problems getting a soft grippy tyre to last race distance. Along came a rider called Gary Mccoy (a butt ugly midget of an Australian) who had been blessed with the uncanny ability to get a bike sideways into, through and out of any and all corners! He was able to get a tyre to behave predictably for full race distance and had some success for several seasons until the other riders in Gp's started applying his theories.
He used a 16.5" wheel, easier to get to spin up predictably when leant over 'cos of the fatter contact patch, but more importantly a HARDER compound rear tyre!
He found that a tyre that had been worked hard but not spun up got ripped to pieces where as a tyre that has been spun up didn't rip merely lost a surface layer every time it was spun up. This layer was at a molecular level thickness and is I believe referred to as an Ablative layer. This is the same principal as the Space Shuttle uses for its' tiles, thay do not absorb heat but burn away a layer at a time.
Now look at the really succsesfull Moto GP racers, particularly Valentino Rossi, riding there 190bhp bikes. For that matter the best WSB riders as well. What do you see, and get from the datalogging traces ? Massive differences in front and rear wheel speeds all over the place. Even the riders who look in control are doing it, "Nearly" Neil Hodgson riding a duke in WSB rarely looks like he has the bike out of shape, yet his data logging traces show up to a 30% difference in wheel speeds!
So, Ninjaman, if as it sounds you are comfortable with a tyre that spins up why not go for a harder compound and make the effort to back it in and spin it up!
For pointers watch Fastbikes "MACH 2" video with Shakey and Frosty-bollocks on the 'bird and 'busa in the French Alps on the Col Du Tende pass. The best bit of mountain road in Europe.
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