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Yes Doug give them a call.

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I got my hookup back.
This is all getting a little of hand. I'm willing to work on the tech stuff but the rest is all bullshit.

SO, anybody figure that speed at 11,600 yet?

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Ship;

Is there anything in this post that you don't agree with? My Math is correct and my final statement indicates the most probable reason(s) I did not get the extra "3" m.p.h.

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I got my hookup back.
This is all getting a little of hand. I'm willing to work on the tech stuff but the rest is all bullshit.

SO, anybody figure that speed at 11,600 yet?

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Yeah Doug.....201.32 M.P.H.

(That is my oringinal Calculation with a Brand new STOCK O.E. Dunlap 200/50 ZR17. The Cir. on it was 77.25 in.)

My "Real World" Test back in Spring 01' (Doug, You remember...) revaled this:

I went 195.8 @ 11,300 rpm. My actual speed was measured with Cycle Worlds Own radar gun. I had Paul Dean come out and do the shooting for me. He was looking for the "200 m.p.h. Story" We also had a GPS with us and it was showing with in .1 mph of the Gun.

The Set up I was using: Doug's own Pipe (Muzzy), Ignition Rotor and Map in my PCIII. These are the same components that were on the 199 m.p.h. bike Doug Ran at Maxton. Gearing was STOCK (18/46), Corbin Seat, Mirrors Removed and Brand new O.E. Dunlaps$$$$

Now on that run (I only was able to do 3), My Tach was showing @ 11,900 "ish" (My stock tach is off by 6-700 r.p.m.), which means there was @ 250-300 r.p.m.'s left in it. Was I out of power? I don't know for sure, the combo gave 170 on the local dyno. If you add 8% as KHI says for Ram Air, I had 183.6 Corrected h.p. and 165.24 uncorrected.
I called Doug and Gave him the weather conditons and actual elevation that a.m. and his slide rule said @ 2,300 ft. Air. So-So........

My biggest battle was getting out of the air!!! I'm 6'0" and 205 + Gear. My stature would not allow me to get my shoulders and elbows out of the wind. My back was a flat as I could get it and I raised it up untill I could "just" feel the air smooth out over it. That in itself was worth 200 rpm.

I still believe that with better air, a PROPERLY sealed ram air system and a slightly smaller rider, My 12 could get awfully close to what Doug did at Maxton.

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The Set up I was using: Doug's own Pipe (Muzzy), Ignition Rotor and Map in my PCIII. These are the same components that were on the 199 m.p.h. bike Doug Ran at Maxton. Gearing was STOCK (18/46), Corbin Seat, Mirrors Removed and Brand new O.E. Dunlaps$$$$

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"The Set up I was using: Doug's own Pipe (Muzzy), Ignition Rotor and Map in my PCIII. These are the same components that were on the 199 m.p.h. bike Doug Ran at Maxton. "

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Wellll, we did change the sprockets- a few times. but we always ended up back at the stock size (46?, I think) I don't remember. Anyway I wish I was at home with all my data and calculations, but I'm in Scottsdale for the Barrett-Jackson (Wow it's been a year,,,,,) and I don't want to waste a bunch of time digging up all the ratios and tire sizes, etc. on the web.
So I can't PROVE what I'm going to tell you, but it's the truth. I think you must be making an error in your top speed calcs. Even before anyone had seen a 12 (including me) I had the trans ratios and the proposed rev limit (11,400) so I could do some planning for Bonneville. At that point it was clear to me that if the bike could pull to the limiter in 6th it would go 200. So there's no doubt in my mind about that. Remember this bike was DESIGNED to go 200 mph as it was sold to us. At Muzzys during the following year we confirmed that for all practical purposes the actual rev limit was 11.4 to 11.6 on an A1.
After the Maxton deal there was NO DOUBT in my mind that it would do just that given sea level 60 degree dry air. We did not have a stock tire on. Rob wanted to run Dunflops because he had a deal with them, I wanted to run Metzelers because I trusted them and had had Dunflops chunk at Bonneville in the past. I don't remember who won that one but it wasn't a stock tire. I rode the bike with and without the windsheild, with and without the seat, with and without the mirrors, one hand on the bars, both hands on the bars.Ultimately we ended up with the stock windsheild, no mirrors, the seat on and both hands on the bars. Why wasn't it faster with the seat off, allowing me to get lower, some of you ask? Because that puts MORE bad air on your back coming off the front and does not change frontal area. A proper stance keeps you off the seat anyway. The oil in the bike was 300V Motul, The forks were dropped an inch, the rear spring was wound down, lowering the back as well. We kept the tank full to help avoid wheelies in 1 and 2. We did remove the air filters for the runs with the pipe on, but they were in place for the 192 mph run with the stock exhaust. The bike had NOT been apart and as a matter of fact , FIM timer Jack Dolan sealed the engine after the runs and we made it available to any magazine who wanted to inspect it when we got back to the West coast. For more of the history read the classified for my A1 which was the backup bike of the two we got. (They were both red, which really had us fired up, being Green Guys and all). Later that year, after Bonneville I swapped bodywork with some misguided soul that wanted a red one.
I'll be happy to take your questions now....... :-)
Doug

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Wellll, we did change the sprockets- a few times. but we always ended up back at the stock size (46?, I think) I don't remember. Anyway I wish I was at home with all my data and calculations, but I'm in Scottsdale for the Barrett-Jackson (Wow it's been a year,,,,,) and I don't want to waste a bunch of time digging up all the ratios and tire sizes, etc. on the web.
So I can't PROVE what I'm going to tell you, but it's the truth. I think you must be making an error in your top speed calcs. Even before anyone had seen a 12 (including me) I had the trans ratios and the proposed rev limit (11,400) so I could do some planning for Bonneville. At that point it was clear to me that if the bike could pull to the limiter in 6th it would go 200. So there's no doubt in my mind about that. Remember this bike was DESIGNED to go 200 mph as it was sold to us. At Muzzys during the following year we confirmed that for all practical purposes the actual rev limit was 11.4 to 11.6 on an A1.
After the Maxton deal there was NO DOUBT in my mind that it would do just that given sea level 60 degree dry air. We did not have a stock tire on. Rob wanted to run Dunflops because he had a deal with them, I wanted to run Metzelers because I trusted them and had had Dunflops chunk at Bonneville in the past. I don't remember who won that one but it wasn't a stock tire. I rode the bike with and without the windsheild, with and without the seat, with and without the mirrors, one hand on the bars, both hands on the bars.Ultimately we ended up with the stock windsheild, no mirrors, the seat on and both hands on the bars. Why wasn't it faster with the seat off, allowing me to get lower, some of you ask? Because that puts MORE bad air on your back coming off the front and does not change frontal area. A proper stance keeps you off the seat anyway. The oil in the bike was 300V Motul, The forks were dropped an inch, the rear spring was wound down, lowering the back as well. We kept the tank full to help avoid wheelies in 1 and 2. We did remove the air filters for the runs with the pipe on, but they were in place for the 192 mph run with the stock exhaust. The bike had NOT been apart and as a matter of fact , FIM timer Jack Dolan sealed the engine after the runs and we made it available to any magazine who wanted to inspect it when we got back to the West coast. For more of the history read the classified for my A1 which was the backup bike of the two we got. (They were both red, which really had us fired up, being Green Guys and all). Later that year, after Bonneville I swapped bodywork with some misguided soul that wanted a red one.
I'll be happy to take your questions now....... :-)
Doug

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Doug you said this in the above statement !
(((The oil in the bike was 300V Motul)))


And here is the qoute from the muzzy article !

Two 2000 Kawasaki ZX-12's were ordered from Kawasaki and delivered to Muzzys in their original crates as shipped from the warehouse. The bikes were set up per normal dealership procedures and broken in on Muzzys' Schenk Dynamometer which allows continuous running. After break-in, valves were adjusted per the manufacturer's specification, and the bikes were serviced with the correct quantity of Belray EXS oil. Since the power was equal, one bike was selected as the primary and one a back-up.

And here is what the article said !
(((the bikes were serviced with the correct quantity of Belray EXS oil.)))

Doug, I will put this nicely ! untrue statements.
Why did your buddy say he used your ign rotor and pc3 you could have had one of the 1st ones to try out from dynojet ! I mean it was in july !! they did not have them out YET!!!
I really find that hard to believe !!!!
Please try and clear this up for me, I am really getting upset the whole stock zx12 with muzzy pipe no mirrors bike is turning out to be alot more than I thought lowered and all.
Sounds like it was half way to being a race bike !

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Maybe Doug had a GE F110 hidden on the bike somewhere...

That and a pocket full of Lucky Charms...

Yeah, that's what it must be...

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Thanks,
Can I go home now?

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