VincentHill
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posted December 31, 2006 12:12 PM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 31 Dec 2006 12:13
How about this Topic? My Blown Up Engine!!
Here is what I just saw when to took the top end off. 1800 degrees is a Killer 
The #4 Exhaust valve was eaten, the #1 Piston and Cylinder were also part of the Diet. I need anaothe Cylinder and Head. (Dare I say it?) If this was a 14 it would be the entire engine!
Now for the Transmission! it is in good shape but I need to send it to Robinson for gear matching of the OD Gears!
  
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shane661
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posted December 31, 2006 12:25 PM
Nice pics....
Listen man, I don't want to spank you with Racheal's Bandit 1200 come Spring...
But I will...and if you pop the motor again, the VF1000R has a shot...
Go and see "Rocky Balboa" (I am going to see it tomorrow).....
PS. Apollo Creed was the best character of the series..they never should have killed him off! Long live "The Master Of Disaster"!!!!
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posted December 31, 2006 01:50 PM
My memory fails me Vince,I didn't work on that one did I?LOLWhy do you say you need a new head?
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VincentHill
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posted December 31, 2006 02:18 PM
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My memory fails me Vince,I didn't work on that one did I?LOLWhy do you say you need a new head?
I think we are trying to become Brothers!!
I just scrapped the aluminum all of the seat and lapped a better Valve in to it and saw the Notches and "MAY" or May not be saved. I will get the cutters out and clean up the seat and see just how high the valve sits. If I can lose no more than 0.005 I think I will be OK with taking the head in for a little welding so that the CC's come out right. If the Price is right, Ladds Porting who saved my Yosh head can weld the head and replace the seat but I would not want to pay more than $250 for that work, specially if I can buy a used head for $5 to $700. Of not for the Valve Damage this was about all I could have expected!
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posted December 31, 2006 02:51 PM
Dammit man...What the hell happened??NOS??(OUCH)....
Paul.........
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posted December 31, 2006 02:53 PM
...it blowed up real good....
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kawpower
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posted December 31, 2006 03:23 PM
Again he bashes the 14, get a grip and get over it.
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VincentHill
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posted December 31, 2006 06:40 PM
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Again he bashes the 14, get a grip and get over it.
I speak the Truth and exactly what I feared the Most about the 14 would have been FACT. I would be looking for cases! What makes telling that so bad?? You have to measure up all of the Mains and basically build a New Engine. Since WHEN is telling the truth "Bashing" something? SO tell us how you would repair a 14 with a runied Cylinder "Without" replacing the Case? The Hole is about 1/4 inch deep almost into the Water Jacket!
PLUS This is the 12 SIDE. I have stayed off the 14 side so if you do not like the truth go back there where you all can Stroke each other!
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posted December 31, 2006 06:43 PM
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Dammit man...What the hell happened??NOS??(OUCH)....
Paul.........
Some timers Disease! Turned up the NOS pressure and FORGOT / Did not turn up the equal amount of Fuel Pressure. Like I said, I am going to PAINT the instructions (Nos Pressure / Fuel pressure in 50 PSI Increments) and my Check off List like Arm the NOS you know the basic things old people forget! 
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posted December 31, 2006 06:46 PM
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...it blowed up real good....
Naw!! You think?? (I had at least another 1/8 inch before I got to the Water Jacket Had enough Piston to keep from "Porting" the Cases
Maybe you are right! I Blowed it up Real Good (Actually my first Blow up and it was ALL My fault too)
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posted December 31, 2006 07:46 PM
i think it's great that your racing and doing your own wrenching but it apears to me that somebody that knows what their doing needs to be building your machines.i know i would'nt ride it if you built it. i value my life.let a pro build it.good luck in the future
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posted December 31, 2006 07:50 PM
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i think it's great that your racing and doing your own wrenching but it apears to me that somebody that knows what their doing needs to be building your machines.i know i would'nt ride it if you built it. i value my life.let a pro build it.good luck in the future
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aliveagain
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posted December 31, 2006 08:11 PM
Ah,you guys don't know what you're missing!Building it yourself gives another element to scare the living daylights out of ya when your wfo.Nothing like it!
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posted January 01, 2007 12:23 AM
I did a much better job than that - head, cylinder, piston, 4 valves, crank, no 3 rod, cases, trans - the whole casaba. Got another engine, fitted Carillos and studs and Je pistons, going OK so far.
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posted January 01, 2007 04:59 AM
For the 14 people, Please tell me how even the Best builder in the World could build an engine that could hold together under a 200 SHOT of NOS with Fuel for a 150 SHOT which caused 1800 "F" degree EGT and 18 to 1 A/F?? Try even 1600 "F" and 14 to 1 A/F which the Previous run showed on you 14 and see if it can deal with it!! The fact that the Damage is not a LOT worse is because of the Best parts were used and assembled with care. This engine is the "Same" engine that has been in the Bike for "2" years under all kinds of racing conditions at Maxton.
Go back to the dark Side and blow "Smoke" up each other Hind Parts and continue to dream on until you push the edge of the 14 and melt pistons because unlike the 12 pistons that STOCK can handle a 100 SHOT of NOS, the 14's cannot handle over a 60 shot without melting the Pistons! I know because I have seen What started to happen in a 1/4 mile on Bear's ZX14 ()Without the "R"  ("R" Stands for RACE! No "R" Means Street Tourer! Ask Kawasaki!!
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posted January 01, 2007 05:02 AM
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I did a much better job than that - head, cylinder, piston, 4 valves, crank, no 3 rod, cases, trans - the whole casaba. Got another engine, fitted Carillos and studs and Je pistons, going OK so far.
You need to have them change your Status from Novice to PRO! WHen that #3 rod goes it "IS" all over. Sounds like you ported the Oil Pump on a Hard Launch or Long Wheelie!
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posted January 01, 2007 06:02 AM
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I did a much better job than that - head, cylinder, piston, 4 valves, crank, no 3 rod, cases, trans - the whole casaba. Got another engine, fitted Carillos and studs and Je pistons, going OK so far.
God has a funny way of telling people it's time to upgrade!Keith, any problems riding it out with the case busted?
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posted January 01, 2007 07:54 AM
good luck Vincent
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posted January 01, 2007 09:05 AM
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Ah,you guys don't know what you're missing!Building it yourself gives another element to scare the living daylights out of ya when your wfo.Nothing like it!
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posted January 01, 2007 09:07 AM
Vincent
I betcha you wouldn't have had 1/2 the damage you did if you'd been running JE pistons 
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VincentHill
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posted January 01, 2007 09:15 AM
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I betcha you wouldn't have had 1/2 the damage you did if you'd been running JE pistons
HOW MUCH?? If what I did could eat a Stainless Valve Head how much Aluminum would it eat?
Then Again you may be correct because with the JE's it would have been twice the Damage and Gotten the case
After seeing the Bottom of the Pistons (WHich all look like new on the underside) a am truly amazed that they were so lightly stressed!!
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posted January 01, 2007 09:26 AM
actually, i am surprised how little yr head was burned up.
The last mojo juice damage I saw torched the combustion chamber big time. Carpenter head on a heavily built Busa looked like someone took a cutting torch to it.
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posted January 01, 2007 09:47 AM
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Again he bashes the 14, get a grip and get over it.
I speak the Truth and exactly what I feared the Most about the 14 would have been FACT. I would be looking for cases! What makes telling that so bad?? You have to measure up all of the Mains and basically build a New Engine. Since WHEN is telling the truth "Bashing" something? SO tell us how you would repair a 14 with a runied Cylinder "Without" replacing the Case? The Hole is about 1/4 inch deep almost into the Water Jacket!
PLUS This is the 12 SIDE. I have stayed off the 14 side so if you do not like the truth go back there where you all can Stroke each other!
Nothing like driving a wedge between fellow KAWASAKI riders..
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posted January 01, 2007 11:54 AM
Hi Vince - sorry, didn't say "bad luck about your blow-up". Mine was just five seasons of racing the same motor, hadn't been stripped since fitting the 1270 kit in 2002 and blew during summer of 2005. Let go at about 140 mph but no problems slowing down, just a bit of oil out thru the case front on the exhaust made the smoke. My 9.31/152 was quickest I've been on my bike with the stock motor and 50 hp of gas. Got to ride it off the line like Mike in the vid - that'll get me close to an eight being as I'm only 5'7" and 155 lbs nakid. Happy New Year to all 12R riders. Keith (PS - my boy Lorcan went 9.02/157 on it when it was a 1270 with 50 shot on his second pass.)
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posted January 01, 2007 12:32 PM
Vince, did you hear any detonation when it blew? Or at any time?
The piston looks like detonation damage, and its in the right area to be so.
Is the missing piece in the valve broken off or was it "torched" away?
What did the spark plug look like? was the ground electrode blistered and a grey look?
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