butta4hc
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posted December 23, 2006 08:41 PM
INSTALLED A FULL MUZZY ON A1, LOPING IDLE
I installed my full Muzzy (round stainless steel) and my PC3 on my own. It is an accomplishment trust me. Anyway, I have a "lope" at idle even after it's warm that goes from 1000 to 1200 RPM. I have a map from the PC site for a 'full Muzzy with stock or K&N filter.' I My filters are stock. I took them out to make sure they wasn't too bad off. They aren't. I haven't done anything besides installing the exhaust, the PC3 and uploading the map. Does anyone have a better map? If not, does someone have a fix for my situation? Besides the loping, the bitch runs nice upstairs. I took it for a test ride today down I-80 and if those wings were longer y'all would have seen a new airline "Kawi-Air" lol. If someone has a proven map please send it to me. If not, can someone fill me in on something I might not have done.
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posted December 23, 2006 08:53 PM
TURN THE FAST IDEL SCREW ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TROTTLE BODIES SO THE TACH READS ABOUT 1300 RPM'S.
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butta4hc
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posted December 23, 2006 09:36 PM
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TURN THE FAST IDEL SCREW ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TROTTLE BODIES SO THE TACH READS ABOUT 1300 RPM'S.
I did turn it up some but do I wanna have it idle @ 1300 on a regular?
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MadMike
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posted December 23, 2006 10:13 PM
do a search on this... they have always been like this. just tell people you have cams...
a few people have been able to almost tune it out.
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posted December 23, 2006 10:27 PM
What Mike said!!!...When I had my a1, was never able to get rid of the lopeing idle even with a custom map...Have a 2002 b1, much smoother now!!!...By the way I never put a PC on the b1...
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posted December 24, 2006 04:08 AM
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TURN THE FAST IDLE SCREW ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TROTTLE BODIES SO THE TACH READS ABOUT 1300 RPM'S.
Bingo!
AND, the 12's oil pressure is so low at 1000rpm (ever see the oil light flicker?), IMO yr motor's longevity will benefit from a higher idle = higher oil pressure
My "idle" is set at 1800-2000
bahahahahahahahahahaha! 
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posted December 24, 2006 05:03 AM
Welcome to the club. My bike did the same thing with the OEM system, just not as severe. My tach would swing 200 rpms at idle, but was not nearly as noticeable due to the exhaust not being heard. The swing was not as quick either but still , it did fluctuate.
I set my idle at 1200 as a base .
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posted December 24, 2006 06:09 AM
Welcome to the world of life with a Muzzy! Not that there is anything wrong with that. I have the same system amd have had mine custom mapped by the best here locally (best investment I made) but still think it can be much better. With the map I still have my idle at 1100-1200. If you drag race you will get used to it and it should not be much of an issue. If you do a lot of street riding the loping is not what I hate about it, it is the horrible drivability down low and the transision between 2500 to 3500 that made me put mine up for sale. It made good power on the dyno though-174.9.....A1, stock motor. Ti-Force is what I swapped it to.
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posted December 24, 2006 06:38 AM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 24 Dec 2006 06:39
Try adding a little fuel at the "0" throttle Position between 500 and 1500 RPM on your map. Try as little as 2 or 3% and as much as 10%. The overlapping of the cells means that 5% at 1,000 and 10% at 1,500 you have 7.5% more at 1,250 rpm. They all have this hunting! Also make sure you "ZERO AND 100% your TPS (Throttle Position Sensor)
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posted December 24, 2006 08:11 AM
It is the way Muzzy's are. My idle is set to about 1300. Personally, I like the sound.
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MadMike
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posted December 24, 2006 09:52 AM
I love the way it sounds also!!! sounds like a big cam in there...
MM
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butta4hc
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posted December 24, 2006 12:30 PM
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Try adding a little fuel at the "0" throttle Position between 500 and 1500 RPM on your map. Try as little as 2 or 3% and as much as 10%. The overlapping of the cells means that 5% at 1,000 and 10% at 1,500 you have 7.5% more at 1,250 rpm. They all have this hunting! Also make sure you "ZERO AND 100% your TPS (Throttle Position Sensor)
Do you have a map with these settings? Trying to take the easy way out. Can I do the map on my laptop and then go and upload it or should I sit there and fine tune it as such in "real time?"
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butta4hc
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posted December 24, 2006 12:34 PM
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TURN THE FAST IDLE SCREW ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TROTTLE BODIES SO THE TACH READS ABOUT 1300 RPM'S.
Bingo!
AND, the 12's oil pressure is so low at 1000rpm (ever see the oil light flicker?), IMO yr motor's longevity will benefit from a higher idle = higher oil pressure
My "idle" is set at 1800-2000
bahahahahahahahahahaha!
(N/J)
I never seen the oil light flicker. I can probably live with it at 1200 rpm. 1800-2000 and even though it might benefit from the oil pressure it will be more prone to burn up at a light or traffic I would imagine.
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posted December 24, 2006 12:44 PM
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Welcome to the world of life with a Muzzy! Not that there is anything wrong with that. I have the same system amd have had mine custom mapped by the best here locally (best investment I made) but still think it can be much better. With the map I still have my idle at 1100-1200. If you drag race you will get used to it and it should not be much of an issue. If you do a lot of street riding the loping is not what I hate about it, it is the horrible drivability down low and the transision between 2500 to 3500 that made me put mine up for sale. It made good power on the dyno though-174.9.....A1, stock motor. Ti-Force is what I swapped it to.
I have no clue what it is making HP-wise. I know it is a beast up top though. I don't intend to drag race the bike. It will be a daily tourer. My club rides a lot of long distance. I want rideability (is that a word?) however I want to smack my prez on the ass with his lil 06 1000RR evry once in a while. Man if I can get that loping out of the way I'd be so happy. I haven't noticed the stumble between 2500-3500 though. Maybe because I left my garage like a bat out of hell trying to get to the highway, lol.
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posted December 24, 2006 12:54 PM
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I love the way it sounds also!!! sounds like a big cam in there...
MM
When I first heard it, I thought to myself my club is gonna be scared of me, lol. It does have a "cammy" appeal to it. If I can't work through it I may just keep the idle at 1200 and try to "block it out."
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posted December 24, 2006 02:02 PM
05 ZX12R....Muzzy..PCIII usb....but mine only lopes till the fan comes on .
Once it has warmed up it quits loping.
It even lopes slightly with higher idle when it is cold.
oh well....I think it just the nature of the beast.
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butta4hc
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posted December 24, 2006 03:19 PM
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05 ZX12R....Muzzy..PCIII usb....but mine only lopes till the fan comes on .
Once it has warmed up it quits loping.
It even lopes slightly with higher idle when it is cold.
oh well....I think it just the nature of the beast.
I went to the garage and tried a few different things with the mapping. I warmed it up good. and then tried some different fuel applications that where previously mentioned. Nothing changed the lope. If anyone has a "lope free" map for the A1 full system muzzy feel free to e-mail it to me. My end result upon leaving the garage is that I turned the idle up to about 1250 and it balanced it out. I guess it is the nature of the beast, lol. One thing I am happy about is that I got my temps down with the aluminum fan. I had the bike running for about a half hour. Revving it and all and it not past 3/4. I read something about advancing my ignition? This is not my forte. Can someone explain?
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Texas12R
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posted December 24, 2006 03:35 PM
Muzzy makes an adjustable ignition advance @ 75.00.
I think most are using from 2 to 5 degrees of advance.
It is a fairly simple mod. You could do a search for "ignition and Advance"
or post a poll to see what everyone is using...
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posted December 24, 2006 03:47 PM
"NO" I have Never Had a Muzzy but my Akrapovich needed this.
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butta4hc
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posted December 24, 2006 05:09 PM
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Muzzy makes an adjustable ignition advance @ 75.00.
I think most are using from 2 to 5 degrees of advance.
It is a fairly simple mod. You could do a search for "ignition and Advance"
or post a poll to see what everyone is using...
Happy Holidays!!
Well the Muzzy ignition advancer thingy is out of the question. I have a PC3 serial. Not USB. According to the web I need a USB to use one. I had a friend who knows a guy who wrecked an A2. She gave me a PC3 from the wrecked bike and it saved me $300. Not about to spend over $600 altogether for a new PC3 USB and the IA. Only if it was giving me 10 extra HP, lol.
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zxlnt
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posted December 24, 2006 08:57 PM
Butta the ignition advancer is the mechanical ignition rotor. You replace the stock ignition rotor and install the adjustable one. It made so that one piece slides inside the other allowing the ignition timing to be altered. Its not dependent on what type of power commander your using.
Also there was a thread years ago about using a pilot jet as an air bleed in one of the air pressure sensors. Theory was it smoothed out the intake pulses and allowed the engine to idle smoother.
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zxlnt
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posted December 24, 2006 09:02 PM
Edited By: zxlnt on 24 Dec 2006 21:03
And you mean it loped like this
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p82d35f4cd83eb8b33991b3e8239858ec/fc4fc207.mpg
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butta4hc
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posted December 24, 2006 09:14 PM
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Butta the ignition advancer is the mechanical ignition rotor. You replace the stock ignition rotor and install the adjustable one. It made so that one piece slides inside the other allowing the ignition timing to be altered. Its not dependent on what type of power commander your using.
Also there was a thread years ago about using a pilot jet as an air bleed in one of the air pressure sensors. Theory was it smoothed out the intake pulses and allowed the engine to idle smoother.
Ok, that's more like it. I will look into gettn one. I do a search on some things on the board and some of them seem to lead me off into the blue. I will try to look up that thread hopefully without too much hassle. BTW, I couldn't open your link you posted right after the first one.
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zxlnt
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posted December 25, 2006 12:23 AM
Just hit refresh or right click save as. It might take a couple times..
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lonniemac
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posted December 25, 2006 03:01 AM
almost all A1 models lope straight out the box. the pipe just made it much more agressive. and noticeable. Vince is exactcly right if you add fuel in the 0 throttle position it will help. just add a little by steps and notice the difference. until it smothes out. no dyno necessary. and it will not change your custom map performance up top. mine was so bad it would stall the engine. now it has a very slight lope that i love like MM does.
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