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posted August 02, 2006 04:34 PM
Battery
Im pulling my first battery on the 2003 zx12 it is the original, does anyone know if it is a dry cell battery?
  
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zxlnt
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posted August 02, 2006 08:06 PM
No its not a dry cell, but it is maintainence free. YTX14BS I believe..
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Gunner
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posted August 02, 2006 08:45 PM
Find you a DEKA dealer and get a ETX14 it's a glass matt and has over 400CCA !!! Fits the stock box perfect. Super battery
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posted August 03, 2006 05:31 AM
Thanks fellas.
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posted August 03, 2006 06:09 AM
DEKA is A Great Replacement!!!!
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MadMike
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posted August 03, 2006 08:15 AM
The DEKA "DOES NOT" have over 400CCA... it is the same as the Interstate Branded product!
200CCA...
the DEKA is a AGM and is a good battery, But is is not Double the Interstate. They are very compairable...
here is a link to the Deka
http://www.ms-battery.com/motorcycle-battery.htm
and here is how to find an Interstate dealer near you...
http://www.interstatebatteries.com/estore/dealer_locator.asp?mscssid=DX0AHJN526WP9K183WDFNSQMDNPF6WAE&product_line_id=8&js=1
The only bonus I see with the Deka is they can ship it to ya, which is cool.
I would go with the Interstate YTX-14BS, but I am kind of partial  !!
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Gunner
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posted August 03, 2006 10:10 AM
MIKE.................I respect your knowledge BUT in this case Your DEAD WRONG!!!! I know what the spec on the battery says and taking that into accout you're right, BUT!!!! AND THIS IS BIG so pay attention!!!!!!!!!! I've personally checked dozens of these batteries myself and everyone of them has had double what they're spec to have...... As I've posted before my best friend operates a HUGE battery center and SAD to say for him batteries are his damn life! NO SHIT! Anyway he knows his shit about batteries and has the proper equipment to check them and load test them. I've been there and checked them myself!!!!! The damn things are UNREAL! Every damn one of them has at least double what they are spec.
Mike I will ship you one to check yourself if you like. I'm not trying to be shitty here, but I'm NOT passing bogus info here.
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entropy
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posted August 03, 2006 11:31 AM
hmmmm......
the hunter/interstate/FBG gel has 540CCA and fits pretty well in the OEM space...
BUT!
It will only put out 540CCA for a short time.
I wonder if the DEKA and Interstate TTX-14Bs you are tapping about are being compared apples to apples???
Just a thought
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posted August 03, 2006 11:32 AM
MM: BTW; the parts you loaned me are coming back to you at yr office, cause i don't have yr new house address.
THANKS a milliuon!
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posted August 03, 2006 11:55 AM
With a Little Modification to my bike I beat all of you with a 20 AMP/Hr Battery
Never had a Cranking problem!
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countersteer
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posted August 03, 2006 05:35 PM
i was able to shoehorn two batteries into the stock battery tray. 24v baby
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posted August 03, 2006 07:06 PM
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i was able to shoehorn two batteries into the stock battery tray. 24v baby
That is interesting. What batteries did you use??
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MadMike
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posted August 03, 2006 07:45 PM
Hey Gunner, I believe you have my address. and I would be happy to test one... I have also been in the Battery industry for just over 15 years and that also is my life... but I am not a Lead guy so I have a limited knowledge of the internals of this battery. I am much more knowledgeable in just about every other battery then the Lead batteries... But I can test anything! I have the equipment to do any kind of battery testing you can imagine. I will be very impressed if the battery actually does and holds over the rated value at CCA... the one thing that is very strange to me anyway... why would a company have a battery that can run 400CCA and only advertise it as a 200CCA?? it makes no sense at all. and from what I have seen in the industry in general... it would be marketing suicide to not rate the battery as it performes, or at least within 5% or so... please do not take this that I do no believe what you tested and saw with you own eyes.. I do believe that you saw that #, I just have to question if it was actually a CCA load or a HCA load... which is what the Hawker batteries Karl was talking about are rated at, 545HCA... But all in all I am very interested in testing a Deka... shoot me over your paypal, and I will send you some $$ to cover the cost of the battery!
Thanks
Mike
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MadMike
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posted August 03, 2006 07:46 PM
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MM: BTW; the parts you loaned me are coming back to you at yr office, cause i don't have yr new house address.
THANKS a milliuon!
NP man anytime!!! at all!
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Gunner
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posted August 03, 2006 08:27 PM
Mike I'll just send it and you send it back. I'll see if he has another 14 tomorrow. I can't tell you why these things have the power they do they just do. If he don't have one I'll send you the 2 year old one out of my own 12R. The bigger version that fits the Harley Dresser that Deka makes puts out nearly 600 CCA. Way more than what it's labled to have. Everyone that gets one of these loves them. They are standard in ALL Harleys now. Also don't Yuwasa (sp) make interstate motorcycle batteries?? If so I will tell you that he also carries those and they NEVER test out to have more that 215 or 220 CCA and they're rated at 200. Tested on the same tester at the same time while I watched. I'm tellin you man these things are HOT HOT HOT!!! Like I said Mike Irespect you and your professional opinion. I think you'll say HOLY SHIT BAT MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gunner
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posted August 03, 2006 08:34 PM
Mike I have your number I'll go over there tomorrow and double check and give you a call. The meter he used says CCA after the number on the display. I was just over there last week and put new ends on it for him and took it for a spin in the Wharehouse when I was finished just to make sure it still worked properly. Actually I had a battery go bad in a truck of my own and had to have him test it. VERY VERY interesting. The battery tested out with 13 volts but had NO AMPS in it. Strange very strange but he says its common.
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posted August 04, 2006 05:14 AM
Sounds great to me, and when they test that good for me!! I might have to see if we can get some private labeling going on
and I am not 100% but I believe Yuasa is manufacturing our Motorcycle batteries...
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Gunner
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posted August 04, 2006 07:00 AM
Mike I will tell you this much up front........................Decka has been back ordering a large percent of all their orders lately for unknown reasons. As you will also know already the battery industry is being pelted with price increases about monthly and from what I've been told China is behind the supply short comings. They seem to be single handedly fuckin up the world supply on almost everything these days. Like I said if I can't specifically get ahold of a 14amper I'll send my own. I just recently got one of these for a local guy with a stroker 12R that was having starting problems. I never heard another word so I assume he happy now or else I would be getting a call. You know how that works eh?
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posted August 04, 2006 07:21 PM
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i was able to shoehorn two batteries into the stock battery tray. 24v baby
That is interesting. What batteries did you use??
odyssey pc310, and a tiny yuasa battery. i dont recall the model of the yuasa though, but first i had the smallest one then went witht he next one bigger(like a ytx4 or something?). if kawasaki didnt make it such a pain in the ass to access the battery tray, id go look right now... sorry man.
but yeah the odyssey pc310 went in first, then shoved the small yuasa in sideways.
sorry im tired tonite, maybe this makes sense, maybe it doesnt, but i was able to shove them both into the stock tray.
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posted August 05, 2006 08:45 AM
why would you put a 24V battery setup in a 12V system? you'd have to change all the electronics, lights, etc.
don't understand...
It's funny about batteries, my yzf still has its OEM battery in it....from '98.
yuasa is what i get for my street rides. crappy walmart for track bike, but anything that craves reliability gets the good stuff. If Yuasa makes interstate, might be an interesting experiment if this one ever goes bad in the YZF.
  
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posted August 05, 2006 03:06 PM
sluggo- if you read my signature, you would see that i have a 1375cc stroker engine in my zx-12, which is known for hot starting problems. i would literally get stranded with 1 battery, and ive tested and tried just about every battery that would fit. all you gotta do is wire up the 2nd battery in parallel, however it would *NOT* be in the charging circuit. to correct this, you get a battery tender and hook it up to the posts on the 2nd battery, so whenever its garaged, it gets plugged in and charged up. i have been very happy since i finally did this mod, and have not had any problems since, aside from my engine failing... which will be elaborated on in a future thread when i get the time, money and patience to invest. absolutely no strain on the electrical system anymore.
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posted August 05, 2006 03:12 PM
and you wouldnt have to do a thing to the electrical system aside from just making up your own harness to connect the battery posts. im surprised your oem battery lasted that long, i cant make a battery last thru the winter- ive never gotten more than a year or so of use out of the many batteries ive gone thru, which makes me classify batteries as a maintenance item. id change that battery if i were you- its probably run down to shit and barely holding charges.
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posted August 05, 2006 03:58 PM
oh, wired inparallel. I understand now, so it's just 12 volts terminal voltage, with 2 batteries to supply current and still have enough power to fire the engine.
MUCH better 
i wonder if they make a battery large enough with enough go-juice to start your engine, AND fit in the enlarged battery compartment?
As far as battery longevity goes.
lead acid batteries like to work, but not overheat. The don't like to sit idle. My riding style (up until the last month where i have been too busy moving to do any riding) typically has the bike sit at themost a week. Then it goes for a nice all-day ride, and typically it gets run more often.
I avoid battery tenders and other overcharging devices like the plague. For a single charge application i think they are just fine, buthooking a battery up to one for 3-5 months is just going to cook the battery. Slowly, but it'll do it. If leaving the bike more than a month, i disconnect it and make sure the top is clean. NEVER had a dead battery, even after 6 months gone. The only time i get dead battery is when i test newlights out, and check wiring harness modifications, or if i leave it hooked up to the bike for a month or more.
8 years, 65000 miles (shoulda been 72000, but i had to cut my montana trip short  )
The battery experience comes from tending the ship's battery on 2 different submarines. The capacity tests are eye-opening. You could tell if the other crew had done any drills or not just from the capacity test. If it was less than 95% they were slackers. Ours usually ran 102-105%. (of course we were non-sleep-getting mofos... i don't miss those days...)
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entropy
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posted August 05, 2006 10:36 PM
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oh, wired inparallel...
nope, the second battery is in series to the starter, 24V. works great!
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posted August 06, 2006 04:56 AM
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oh, wired inparallel...
nope, the second battery is in series to the starter, 24V. works great!
+1
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