the_other_big_Mike
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posted July 22, 2006 06:45 PM
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Also, I'm not finding a crankcase breather line...
The Kleen unit in my above pic is missing the "small" line that gets plugged off on older bikes...It only has a "big" line to the airbox and the "T" to the reeds...Hopefully when I call Muzzy on Monday they can help..
That is the same as the 14 then!
Install the plates, and plug the hose into the frame/ airbox.
I'm lost !!!!!!!!! Which hose ???
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blitzkrieg
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posted July 22, 2006 07:28 PM
RFemoving the Kleen Air (on any year bike) will NOT make it run cooler.
All the Kleen Air does is inject airbox air into the outgoing exhaust in an effort to completely burn it before it hit's the cat converter
Them is da facts. 
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posted July 22, 2006 09:31 PM
Better call Muzzy, Schnitz, or a service manual.
I am not 100% familiar with your bike.
I do not want communication breakdown to damage your bike.
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navpreet318
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posted July 22, 2006 10:35 PM
why not just put on the block off plates...ok.....and the plug the point on the airbox where the klen air is connected.....and leave the damn pig there itself.....don't disconnect the electric plug just leave it there with some tape to hold it back....that shouldn't put on the FI on....
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the_other_big_Mike
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posted July 23, 2006 04:53 AM
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why not just put on the block off plates...ok.....and the plug the point on the airbox where the klen air is connected.....and leave the damn pig there itself.....don't disconnect the electric plug just leave it there with some tape to hold it back....that shouldn't put on the FI on....
I wondered the same thing, I'm just about ready to leave the thing on and sell the Muzzy plates.......
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posted July 23, 2006 05:16 AM
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RFemoving the Kleen Air (on any year bike) will NOT make it run cooler.
All the Kleen Air does is inject airbox air into the outgoing exhaust in an effort to completely burn it before it hit's the cat converter
Them is da facts.
Shit... and i thought it took crankcase fumes and sucked them into the airbox, can't find these injectors going into the zorst anywhere? And dat iz a fact
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posted July 23, 2006 05:59 PM
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Shit... and i thought it took crankcase fumes and sucked them into the airbox, can't find these injectors going into the zorst anywhere? And dat iz a fact
Don't know what a zorst is, but with the Kleen Air there is a reed valve that sit's under the two plates you see on top of the valve cover and an injection valve for each cylinder that shoots a shot of air box air just aft of the exhaust valve.
The theory is that the oxygen helps burn up (KLEEN up) the outgoing exhaust before it hits the cat convertor and makes the cat convertor more efficient.
It's probably one of the least parasitic emissions systems I've ever seen. Yamaha uses a very similar setup.
The problem with it is 1) it can make a bike really backfire with an aftermarket pipe and 2) it really clutters up the top of the motor.
I saved all of the Kleen Stuff and my perfect factory exhaust because 20 years from now when guy's start restoring these bikes, they'll be like airboxes on the old z-900's - worth a fortune because everybody threw them out.
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posted July 23, 2006 10:05 PM
 Edited By: dubious on 23 Jul 2006 23:07
I do know, on the 14, Brock disables the kleen system, just plugs the hose at the airbox, and leaves the entire system intact.
So is the crankcase breather part of the kleen system or plumbing on the 12 or not?
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navpreet318
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posted July 23, 2006 10:52 PM
so i think leavin the whole system intact and putting on the block off plates would do it....i am getting to think that our problem might just have been solved...
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dubious
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posted July 23, 2006 11:04 PM
On the 14, Brock doesn't even use plates, just plugs the hose up at the frame, leaves everything else alone.
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posted July 25, 2006 06:00 PM
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On the 14, Brock doesn't even use plates, just plugs the hose up at the frame, leaves everything else alone.
Thats what I was told to do by The Cheese man on my '04 12. I pulled the hose out from the airbox, stuffed a marble in it and stuck it back in the air box.
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navpreet318
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posted July 26, 2006 12:10 AM
well now thats a nice way to do it....marble....its cheap but i bet it does its job well
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posted July 26, 2006 07:01 AM
Zxexpilot....
I wanna know who that is in your sig!
she is HOTTTTT !
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navpreet318
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posted July 26, 2006 08:37 AM
+1 to that....man those are awesome.....
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the_other_big_Mike
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posted July 30, 2006 10:46 AM
I'm back, my call to Muzzy earlier this week got zero results.........Bottom line is they won't give out any Kleen Air removal info because they have no way of knowing if I'm really going to use the bike for "offroad only"..I kind of expected that, and understand there reasoning...They did refer me to the service manual for any Kleen System questions.......
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navpreet318
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posted July 30, 2006 08:25 PM
well mike....the stuf that i've ordered along with long velocity stacks and block off plates will be dropping in soon.....now the advice that i've got for you is that.....
put on those muzzy block off plates.....ok.....plug the hole in the airbox connected to the kleen air.....ok......and tape the kleen air assembly there itself.....do not diconnect the electrical connector.....just fool it.....ok.....leave everything there on top of the head....and remember to use heat resistant tape or something.....that should do it.....
disconnecting the kleen air electrical connector leads to the FI light being on....so now don't disconnect it.....do it and let me know the results....i can assure you that this will in no way harm the bike.....we've done it on a friend's 04 bike some 200 miles from me....and its worked....
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the_other_big_mike
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posted July 31, 2006 03:24 AM
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well mike....the stuf that i've ordered along with long velocity stacks and block off plates will be dropping in soon.....now the advice that i've got for you is that.....
put on those muzzy block off plates.....ok.....plug the hole in the airbox connected to the kleen air.....ok......and tape the kleen air assembly there itself.....do not diconnect the electrical connector.....just fool it.....ok.....leave everything there on top of the head....and remember to use heat resistant tape or something.....that should do it.....
disconnecting the kleen air electrical connector leads to the FI light being on....so now don't disconnect it.....do it and let me know the results....i can assure you that this will in no way harm the bike.....we've done it on a friend's 04 bike some 200 miles from me....and its worked....
What did you do with the crankcase vent hose ??? My filter for it never got ordered by the dealer, so I can't do anything with it today......
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navpreet318
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posted July 31, 2006 10:30 AM
this is the starting....don't do anything to the crank case hose right now....ok....right now just bolt on the block off plates....
once you're satisfied that the FI light isn't coming on....check the performance of the bike....if you have a free dyno try it out....
then if you want to try follow this link and connect the crank case vent hose to the kleen air tubes with a copper T tube...keep the rest of the kleen air assembly on the top of the head....just use its 2 tubes connecting to the reed valve plates....remove your muzzy block off plates and install the original plates....
http://www.zx-12r.org/Motorcycle_info/Information%20Pages/KleenAirRemoval_CrankCaseMod/Kleen%20Air%20Removal%20With%20Crankcase%20Vacuum%20Procedure.htm
now remember do not cut any of the original cranckcase hose....just use additional rienforced piping.....ok.....now test the bike again...and for a long outing...or a free dyno session....
next when you get your filter for the breather then you can try that also by installing the muzzy block off plates and the filter on the crankcase hose....
now i know this excercise will get a bit tiresome.....but the result you'll get will be a satisfying one.....you're not relying on any one's advice .....you're finding out for yourself what's best and then doing it....
so try it out....
and let me know what you find out.....you get to work hard if you want a few ponies for cheap.....or literally free.....
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navpreet318
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posted July 31, 2006 10:31 AM
as for us we haven't done anything for the crank case hose as of now....just getting the feel of the bike....i'll be doing the same procedure for my bike also....
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the_other_big_Mike
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posted July 31, 2006 10:58 AM
I putting this project on hold until we get some answers........If I find anything more out I'll post it...
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navpreet318
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posted July 31, 2006 09:52 PM
ok.....i'll post up as soon as i get my stuff...frigging the postage time from US to india is close to one month....and guess what it takes only maybe maximum a week for it to get out of US...and it takes 3 weeks to find its way to me...stupid fckin indian postage service....
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Mauser
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posted December 23, 2008 01:04 AM
OK old post but I removed mine and stucj a 20ohm resister into the plug which fixes the F1 light fault. Well worth doing the mod removes all that crap from the top of the engine.
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posted December 26, 2008 01:09 AM
i was gonna say theres GOT to be an easy way to fix the FI light.
the ECU isn't stupid.. it knows whats going on.. that code was probably a solenoid fail code or something along those lines.
you're simply telling the ECU that it's still hooked up to a load.. it can't tell whether its inductive (solenoid valve coil) or resistive (20 Ohm resistor).. but it still thinks its hooked up to SOMETHING, so it's happy. you can leave the coil hooked up for all intents and purposes, and it'll still function./. or should, anyway. i promise nothing without first testing it myself..lol
i did my KA blockoffs and honestly, i think it's hit and miss on some bikes.. i've read over and over again soo many conflicting stories on the effectiveness of the outcome.. i'm doing it simply for weight reduction.. i made my own carbon fiber plates and tossed all the other crap.. eventually, i'll be running probably 15psi or so, .. ya.. all that extra weight along with a T3 hanging off the front is unwanted.
now, granted, my bike is old-skool tech.. i still have carbs.. you guys and your fancy EFI bikes have a tiny bit less plumbing..lol. i still have a float bowl pressure line that needs connected to the aixbox, and TRUST me, any hole or disconnected line on a carbed bike is horribly noticeable. and as well, just for everyone else.. theres no cat even stock, on my bike (2000 ZX7-R)... but the Kleen air system is certainly an air injection system designed at diluting the exhaust air a little bit.
good luck on your mod!!
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