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posted April 23, 2002 04:32 PM
Standing-start mile question
How long does it take a stock, year 2000 12 to cover the mile, from a standing start? And what speeds can you attain?
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TeamSpeed
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posted April 23, 2002 08:41 PM
 Edited By: TeamSpeed on 23 Apr 2002 21:44
Can't answer your question, but your logon seems familiar, do you work for Buschur Racing?
Are you considering the Boss Hoss? Have you been monitoring the Boss Hoss thread near the bottom of the list at this moment?
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4banger
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posted April 24, 2002 05:29 PM
I wish I worked for a racing team, but my job is far less exciting (unless you consider cutting up dead bodies as a fun task)...I'm curious about the standing-mile numbers because I know some Corvette Z06 and Viper drivers who say they can outrun a bike in a mile. I'd like to know what kind of times you guys have run. I've read the Viper does the standing mile in 30 seconds at 175 mph, and to me, there is no way that can be quicker than a hyperbike (with a good rider).
I've always liked cruiser bikes, and after I test rode a small block Boss, I got hooked. I love machines with big motors. It's unfortunate the way the Boss guys have handled this whole Boss vs 12 saga; I respect their machine, but after riding one myself, there is no way you can compare it to a high tech superbike. It's big, feels clumsy, and doesn't brake or turn well. But for a cruiser bike, I think it's all right, and it's still a lot of fun to ride. Right now, I'm deciding between a VTX or a big block Boss. I can't wait to hear the responses after the May issue of Barnett's comes out.
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posted April 24, 2002 06:24 PM
That's a real intersesting test! 
Ya figure that a STOCK 12R would run about 143mph in the 1/4 mile in about 10 seconds, where a Z06 or Viper would 'only' be doing about 118 or something at a low 12 right?
That's almost 4 full gears on the 12, right? So, 5th still pulls pretty hard, 6th ain't exactly bad. Power to weight ratio's certainly favor the 12R. 156hp@520lbs or so.
Top speed of the stock 12R is somewhere around 184mph.
I'd put my money on the 12R. Hell, I'd even ride the 12 in that race!!!
Man, if you're anywhere near Ohio/Indiana/Kentucky, I'll even ride to you for the race!
Tell those Z06 and Viper guys to put up or shut up! :-D
Nuttin' makes me feel as good as spending OPM!!
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posted April 24, 2002 08:07 PM
I don't know how much you guys follow the Lingenfelter work, but last summer they snuck a C5 with twin turbos to the Muncie Dragway. With stock suspension and other stock stuff they usually change when you pay them for the packaged deal, the car ran 9.50s at 148.
Now that they have tuned the car and set up the full suspension package, it has just recently run 9.30s at 154, I think. This car would seriously upset alot of us 12R riders, as well as Busa owners. Of course, the package will cost you about $20K - $25K on top of the 30K for a used C5...
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posted April 24, 2002 10:56 PM
not really that bad a deal given what u get tho...
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posted April 25, 2002 03:44 AM
So if you spend enough money, the car wins. But if we're talking a heavily modified bike, then a Fortune would have to be spent on the car. See, the one thing car lovers always discount in this argument is how CHEAPLY the bike owner can own AND keep a vehicle that under all but the most extreme circumstances blows away the car.
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posted April 25, 2002 04:31 AM
I agree with Freek, though. What kind of cage could you come up with that for $60K (no luxury taxes, because you did not go over whatever the threshold is on the vehicle purchase) that will go almost 9 flat in the quarter, looks good, is good ol' American muscle, can stop on a quarter (LOL), great suspension (1G in a turn), and comes with a 2 year warranty? Absolutely nothing out there touches this package. And it will beat almost every bike, even those with mods. Not a bad deal, if you really love cars too, which I do.
Is it as fun as a bike, again I have to say yes. Everyone loves to hate Vettes, however nobody (95% of the population) could touch this car but they all would try. When people are in cars and come next to a bike, they don't race, they know they will get beat. But if you get kids in a mustang or camaro, etc. they will try to race the vette.
It is the same principle as taking a Talon TSI AWD, popping about $5K into it to get it into the 11s. People just cannot believe 4-bangers can be made to be quick, they will try to beat it, and lose. Lotsa fun!
I can only get other bikes to race, and that is even marginally true. The 600s don't even try, they rev up their bikes with pipes at lights, but will stay back while moving.
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posted April 25, 2002 09:20 AM
What are the true figures (both cost and performance)? And especially, what is the top end speed?
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blkrnbw
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posted April 25, 2002 09:38 AM
The zo6 is rated at 175 top stock. I don't think it would tsand a chance against a stock 12, 1100XX or busa.
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posted April 25, 2002 09:42 AM
Edited By: TeamSpeed on 25 Apr 2002 10:44
Yeech, I just went to John's web page. This latest package is more than twice the normal LPE package. It will cost you about 85K when you are done finding a good used 2 year old C5, and take it over to Decatur. The biggest baddest package is 50K!!!
I like the package for $8500 that takes a C5 and adds a blower and a new hood. It makes the C5 run the 1/4 in 11.7, and comes with a 2 year warranty. This is the best bang for the buck when it comes to Lingenfelter packages! I just need to find a 1999 C5 for about $24K, then take it 50 miles over to Decatur...
Here is the link to the 427 Twin Turbo package
http://www.lingenfelter.com/packages/427TT.htm
I was unable to see the video for this car, but hear the audio. It sounds like the car ran 9.17s? but it was hard to hear. Can anybody else run the video they have on this page? It is an avi file, don't know why my work computer cannot play it.
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posted April 25, 2002 01:09 PM
I have a '94 RX7 that I had intended to have built up to 700+ hp. But the cost for the complete package (suspension, wheels, brakes etc.) was $30,000, and compared to riding a 12, why even bother? The day may come when I do it, but for now I haven't got that kind of money. So, I got smart and invested in a ZX12R. Now, I wouldn't mind having the right Vette either, but once again, it is big money.
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posted April 25, 2002 01:28 PM
Edited By: dougmeyer on 25 Apr 2002 14:30
I rode the stocker to 192 in 1.1 mi at Maxton.
Figuring it took roughly 10.5 for the first 1/4 and the remaining 3/4 was covered at an average of about 170, (big WAG here) figure about 15 seconds for the next .75 mi gives you ABOUT 25 seconds 0-192 in a mile. It would likely be slightly less because you spend more time going faster than slower.
I love fast cars, but tell those guys they haven't got a clue about fast. It's gonna take 600 hp to match a 12's performance with four wheels
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posted April 25, 2002 02:26 PM
Edited By: TeamSpeed on 25 Apr 2002 15:40
Well, the 427 TT C5 vette has 750 hp, so that is why it runs almost 9 flat in the quarter, but like I said, that is about ($25K + $50K + $4k tax = $79,000 for that car when you are done, 8x the cost of a new 00/01 leftover ZX12R with enough mods to get it in the really low 9s.
But like I said, there is a different kind of fun driving those vehicles around town vs. a bike. Cars typically do not seriously mess with bikes, heck, even other bikes don't bother messing with the 12, except for the Suzuki riders.
Having a car like that entices everyone to race it, cars and bikes included. Fun like that is almost priceless.
I guess the best time from the automatic with ET Streets was 9.5s. Here is the timeslip. I don't get the 1/8 mile mph, though. There is no way it was 15 mph, unless he spun 1/2 way down the track.
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posted April 25, 2002 05:32 PM
That is all very nice, but as it ran at the drag strip, what would its top end be? What was it geared for? How many rpms would the engine turn. Surely there is a way of telling its terminal velocity. Is this vehicle good for 200 mph geared the same as it ran the 1/4 mile?
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posted April 25, 2002 05:43 PM
Thats all fine and well for a *cage* but there are LOTS of guys going that fast...consistantly. Even 9.30s arent a threat (at least not without +4" and a shootout tire...lol)
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posted April 25, 2002 05:44 PM
I think Doug's statement speaks for itself. Show me a street car that will do low 190's in a mile...
You can't...
Seems a lot of people also forget the 199 w/a pipe only...
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posted April 25, 2002 10:15 PM
Don't recall how long it took to run the Maxton mile; but it was a reasonable period of time. Figure I average high nines in the 1/4 and ran 185.95 @ Maxton stock motor in a heavy headwind (12~15mph); I remember 5th and 6th gear each taking at least as long as 1, 2, 3, and 4 combined.
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4banger
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posted April 26, 2002 08:22 PM
dougmeyer,
Let's say that you had a bone stock 00 ZX12, and had 10 miles of flat road, with cold outside air temps, do you think the bike would be able to hit 199 mph too?
None of the car guys I've talked to have major mods; only the simple bolt ons, filters, plugs, and the like (that I know of). I'd love to run them in a legal place. I wish we had 1 mile dragstrips like the Maxton Mile around here.
I've seen some pretty quick street cars out there, but I've never lost to any cars during 'street races' yet (I only do it when conditions are ideal). One day I'll run into one of those sleeper Buick GNs or Syclones and learn a hard lesson. But 99.9% of cars out there won't even come close to a stock 12 (with good rider and environment).
I actually raced, of all things, a Suburban, while on my way home from work. I was on my R1, when I caught up to a slower moving Suburban. I was courteous, used my signals, passed and merged with lots of room. So I was minding my own business at 75-80, and next thing I knew, the Sub was catching up behind me really quick! I instinctively dropped down to third gear, and hammered it to 150, leaving the poor bastard inhaling R1 exhaust for a good ways back. I hate being bullied by big cars on the road. I just twist the gas and show em taillights!
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posted April 27, 2002 03:59 AM
But you did exactly what they wanted. Alot of cage drivers goose their car next to you, or rev up the engine just to see you knock it down a couple and take up. They know they don't stand a chance, they are just in their vehicles saying "Hey ya'all, watch what I can make him do..."
I don't take notice of people like that. However, I will always oblige a Mustang owner, I love beating them on my bike or in my Z.
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4banger
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posted April 27, 2002 04:28 PM
But it sure was fun being a 'puppet' for a few moments! 
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posted April 27, 2002 05:06 PM
If it was a .50 tree looks like a red light to me......LOL
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