CrotchRocket
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posted July 12, 2006 09:54 AM
Vince...That sign was put there by our current mayor why I dont know???
Either he has a good sence of humor or he is making fun of the Italians that live in Bay Ridge and Bensonhurst which is where the sign actually sits!!!
I dont think he is making fun of the Italians because then he might get Whacked!!!  Or maybe end up swimming with the fishes right under the Verrazano Bridge where the sign is posted!!!
The sign was approved by the Italian Community, so there it is!!!
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VincentHill
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posted July 12, 2006 09:59 AM
Cool as Hell0. Somehow I do not think we will be seeing in Harlem a sign stating the 4 D's
Dem, Dat, Dis & Dare The Italians not only make neat bikes and Cars, but have Humor!
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posted July 24, 2006 08:05 PM
Vince while I dont usually agree with you I will agree on this, the 14's in my area are turds, slow at the track, and make no HP on the dyno.
Someone here is very ,very upset, I know dyno numbers vary, but here we compare all of them on one dyno. Here the 14 made 152 stock and 154 with a pipe and pc and only went 10.30's@141mph. thats what my bone stock 12 did, and ended up with 165hp with a pipe and pc. same dyno. We have several here at the track and they are all slow turds. I am glad I didnt buy one.
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posted July 24, 2006 11:58 PM
152 on 3 cylinders?
those #s seem very low.
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VincentHill
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posted July 25, 2006 04:41 AM
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Vince while I dont usually agree with you .
My New Understatement of the Year
Even though the "Potential" is there, with more CC's I am not seeing the Numbers (HP or ET)
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posted July 25, 2006 08:54 AM
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Vince while I dont usually agree with you I will agree on this, the 14's in my area are turds, slow at the track, and make no HP on the dyno.
Someone here is very ,very upset, I know dyno numbers vary, but here we compare all of them on one dyno. Here the 14 made 152 stock and 154 with a pipe and pc and only went 10.30's@141mph. thats what my bone stock 12 did, and ended up with 165hp with a pipe and pc. same dyno. We have several here at the track and they are all slow turds. I am glad I didnt buy one.
see, now your just being silly......2hp gain from a pipe and pc..lol
just don't hold on too long fella's........
Orient did one with Drop in high compression JE pistons, mapping and a sidewinder and made 210hp
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VincentHill
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posted July 25, 2006 09:34 AM
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Vince while I dont usually agree with you I will agree on this, the 14's in my area are turds, slow at the track, and make no HP on the dyno.
Someone here is very ,very upset, I know dyno numbers vary, but here we compare all of them on one dyno. Here the 14 made 152 stock and 154 with a pipe and pc and only went 10.30's@141mph. thats what my bone stock 12 did, and ended up with 165hp with a pipe and pc. same dyno. We have several here at the track and they are all slow turds. I am glad I didnt buy one.
see, now your just being silly......2hp gain from a pipe and pc..lol
just don't hold on too long fella's........
Orient did one with Drop in high compression JE pistons, mapping and a sidewinder and made 210hp
No one said that it was "Tuned" to perfection! Or if the Pipes were slip On's or what kind of pipe! I have seen people put on a pipe and Lose HP!
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posted July 25, 2006 02:35 PM
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Vince while I dont usually agree with you I will agree on this, the 14's in my area are turds, slow at the track, and make no HP on the dyno.
Someone here is very ,very upset, I know dyno numbers vary, but here we compare all of them on one dyno. Here the 14 made 152 stock and 154 with a pipe and pc and only went 10.30's@141mph. thats what my bone stock 12 did, and ended up with 165hp with a pipe and pc. same dyno. We have several here at the track and they are all slow turds. I am glad I didnt buy one.
see, now your just being silly......2hp gain from a pipe and pc..lol
just don't hold on too long fella's........
Orient did one with Drop in high compression JE pistons, mapping and a sidewinder and made 210hp
No one said that it was "Tuned" to perfection! Or if the Pipes were slip On's or what kind of pipe! I have seen people put on a pipe and Lose HP!
It was a full pipe with supplied map, air fuel was spot on up top. It wasnt dyno tuned. but i doubt it's gonna see much more. Just telling it like I saw it.
For comparison sake bone stock busas on this dyno make 148, with pipe and pc there getting 154-157. A K-5 made 159 with all the bells and whistles. I read all the time on the net how someone got blah blah blah from a pipe. here on this dyno we just dont see those kind of gains, my 12 gained 10 hp, with a little tuning, thats it.
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VincentHill
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posted July 25, 2006 02:57 PM
Sounds like a DJ 150 which were very stingy with the numbers
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posted July 26, 2006 09:17 AM
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Sounds like a DJ 150 which were very stingy with the numbers
dyno's vary...... but if you only pick up 2hp from a pipe and pc...... you need a new tuner... and a different pipe......come on mr. hill you know better...
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VincentHill
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posted July 26, 2006 11:53 AM
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Sounds like a DJ 150 which were very stingy with the numbers
dyno's vary...... but if you only pick up 2hp from a pipe and pc...... you need a new tuner... and a different pipe......come on mr. hill you know better...
Actually I have seen "Pipes" that lost HP on the Same Dyno which is why you always do a Base Line first. You are assuming that all pipe increase HP> I assume nothing! because of what I have seen! At one time the Pipe manufactures almost went out of business because it was so hard for them to improve over what the Factory had. SO New Pipe YES, New Tuner Maybe not!!
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posted July 26, 2006 12:15 PM
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Sounds like a DJ 150 which were very stingy with the numbers
dyno's vary...... but if you only pick up 2hp from a pipe and pc...... you need a new tuner... and a different pipe......come on mr. hill you know better...
Actually I have seen "Pipes" that lost HP on the Same Dyno which is why you always do a Base Line first. You are assuming that all pipe increase HP> I assume nothing! because of what I have seen! At one time the Pipe manufactures almost went out of business because it was so hard for them to improve over what the Factory had. SO New Pipe YES, New Tuner Maybe not!!
oh, you're talking about "back in the day"...... i understand..... sort of..
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VincentHill
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posted July 26, 2006 03:01 PM
We know that Good Pipes will make power, but there are pleanty of Crap Pipes out there all around the world and we were never told what pipe! 
Mac is still making pipes! Maybe he figures out a way to use one of them!
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posted August 04, 2006 12:57 PM
neutered in the 1st 4 gears
same valve area as the 12
1/4 mile speeds NOT up significantly
could have been lighter......yet the fear of wheelies
easily could have been better lookin
& a strictly race ECU offered over the counter.....would have been sweet
yet there is plenty of meat for more upgrades$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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posted August 04, 2006 06:37 PM
I think the Worse is yet to come! WHEN they Blow up and hurt a cylinder and the Entire Case and Cylinder have to be replaced and get the Bill, we are going to hear real screams! (not Ice Cream)
One deeply scratched Cylinder and the Engine is Junk!
I understand that the Pistons are really not up to "Real" NOS Shots for long and will degrade the Pistons. Single Valve Springs? Here we used stronger spring on the 12 to keep the NOS from lifting the Valves off the seats. YES, it has a Great CLutch FIne I rather replace a Clutch than an engine any day!
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posted August 06, 2006 07:18 PM
my clutch that came in my bike is still going strong.............., 2002 model.........
seeing a 14 at the track with a 50shot, , muzzy, pc, etc, 68 inches, and he is still about 4 tenths slower than me at 1000ft...........
he is about 90 pounds over me though..............
the 14 is bad, but i would be bad too with a 1290............
I almost broke into 5.8s in this heat today in 3400da air...............
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Bently
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posted August 09, 2006 08:59 AM
Nox your saying a 14 with a 50 shot muzzy pipe and at 68 inches is running 6.20 to 6.30's. If that's true then the bike needs a different rider period. I have been 6.35 at 118.56 and 9.73 in the 1/4 at 147. 49 and I am 218 in my undies. and know when I go out this sat. I will be in the low 9.60's, my set up is Brock Smeg, powercommander, lowerd and strapped. A buddy of mine who has a zx12 that has A muzzy pipe, pwr commander, lowerd, strapped and strecthed 6 inches ran 9.54 against me, I was catching him in ever gear, just could not make up the difference with the 60 ft he had 1.48 to my 1.69 he run 142 to my 147
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posted August 09, 2006 09:10 AM
Oh ya and he is 145 in his leathers.
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posted September 03, 2006 01:17 PM
After reading this i'm selling my zx14 ... Crap i can only run 9.44@147 stock wheel base and a crappy pipe with no P/C...Just think if i get a zx12 i will be running 8s stock !!!!!!
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Bently
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posted September 03, 2006 05:27 PM
Well with no changes to my bike since my last post. I have now ran a 9.48 at 150.34.
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