posted April 16, 2002 03:17 PM
2002 Dyno Sheet We've posted a dyno sheet on our web site: 2002 with a Muzzy pipe and an appropriately mapped PC3R.
Doug
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posted April 16, 2002 04:05 PM
Amazing... and depressing When I compared the 183 RWHP '02 to my 178 RWHP '00, there were a few interesting things. The '02 w/ pipe & PC3R is producing a minimum of 4~5 more HP from 5K to 11K. There's two spots that just kill me. At 6K, the '02 is producing THIRTEEN MORE HP and at 9K it TEN MORE HP! ARRRRRRRRRRGH!
The '02 doesn't have the "dip" after the pipe & PC3R is added. Mine still does after the pipe, PC3 (not R) and a 2.5 degree advance (and filters, and so on). The most interesting part is when a stock '00 is compared to a stock '02. The "dip" has moved from being between 5K~6K to being between 7K~8K. Would this be due to the addition weight on the crank?
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Is that a new PCIIIR or a different map in the current one ? Do you have them if it's new ? I see it's listed on DJ's site and yours but DJ says they're not available.
While I'm pumping the questions, what's your take on the differences in results from Dyno to Dyno ?
Oh, your Muzzy Pipe link in the text above the dyno sheet doesn't work.
posted April 16, 2002 10:23 PM
Whats fucking awesome is look at the gap at redline. 30-35 horsepower or so?? No wonder the fuckers run so hard with a pipe..
posted April 17, 2002 09:22 AM
Is that with the old 00-01 pipe, or the new 02 pipe your making? The old pipe fit's perfect, except for even less of the minimal clearance for the fairing. It runs far better than the 00 bike at low RPM, even without a power commander. Absolutely no popping on deceleration, and feels strong throughout the range. Will the 02 pipe make it run better? One of your sales reps claimed 5hp. Also said there would be no map for an 02 with an 00 pipe. I will be making a custom map with a Dynojet Dyno anyway, but it would be nice to have a starting point. It runs so good now, I think I can start at all 0's.
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The '02 pipe is different in fit only. The functional dimensions are unchanged. The changes are in the bike only, we figure it's primarily in the fuel and ign mapping.
Any "dips" and their location is a function of the fuel and ign mapping (and cams, of course but the cams appear identical to 00/01)
We have Power Commanders and the our map for the '02 in
stock.
Crank weight has nothing to do with power production, only the rate power delivery (inertia). Crank weights effect the overall slope of the graph but will not cause a dip.
Doug
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posted April 17, 2002 12:56 PM
STD hp to SAE hp Make sure you are all comparing apples to apples.
Also the STD hp correction factor for dynojets dynos was WRONG for many a year. SAE is correct through out. If you wish to get close, take your SAE #'s and times by 1.045, or 4.5%.
Muzzy's new dyno sheet is STD HP. I have one that's 180.3 STD hp at 10,400 hp with 100.31 ft lbs torque at 7700 rpm.
There is a new viewer available at the dynojet site that has the correct factors, it just sometimes doesn't work with all maps.??
posted April 17, 2002 01:10 PM
Doug I have the full exhaust for the 00' I just bought the 02'bike,what part of the 00' pipe can I replace to get the perfect fit. Or will I have to buy a whole new system?
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posted April 17, 2002 08:42 PM
Now I can sleep tonight! Use STD instead of SAE kinda changes the ballgame. Depending on the "smoothing factor" my 12R does 185.10 RWHP and 102.51 ft/lbs. That's at a smoothing factor of 3. Of course, I could cheat and set the factor at 1 and have 186.13 and 102.74. Except for my dip between 5K and 6K (86@5K/5.5K & 94@6K) my 12R keeps a +2~+5 pace above the '02. Still, I've also got "non-stock" filters, which might explain the difference.
If anything, my 5K~6K dip just shows that I needed a better A/F ratio (12.0@5K & 11.60@6K - didn't see 13.2 till almost 9K) as well as have a PC3R instead of a PC3 and a 2.5 degree advance (Y2K mod).
Still, it boils down to the '02 is a VERY impressive bike and seems to have a very smooth power delivery. Now if I could just get someone to start making those damn oval throttle pullies!
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posted April 18, 2002 04:32 AM
I put an 00 pipe (right off of my 00 ZX12) onto my 02, and it fit perfect. The only problem is the fairing clearance. It's a bit worse than the 00. Any melting or damage is down low, where it's tough to see. It sure runs good though. I'm ready for my first oil change, so I can start leaning on it harder to see how it performs up top. Racing season starts early next month, so it should be broke in by then.
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posted April 18, 2002 06:44 AM
Edited By: dougmeyer on 18 Apr 2002 07:48
Hotrod,
"The only problem is the fairing clearance."
Uh, yeah. That's why we changed it. As a mfg. we CAN'T HAVE that problem. And as you've all learned there can be quite a variation between bikes.
Doug
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posted April 18, 2002 09:56 AM
I can understand that Doug, only someone who already has an 00 pipe who is willing to live with the poor fit would ever put one on an 02. I appreciate the fact that you guys are re-tooling to make a better product. I did notice the Powercommander is a different part number for the 02. Looks like I'll be needing a new one. Anyone need a PCIII?
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posted April 18, 2002 12:46 PM
Dynojet has a different part number on their web site. I Don't know what the difference is.
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posted April 18, 2002 01:33 PM
Edited By: DaveInDaytona on 18 Apr 2002 14:35
I saw that on their site. As of yesterday, 4/17, they say they are not making another box yet because they aren't sure if the current box working with the 2002. They say until they have it tested and have maps available they won't release it but added they suspect the same box will work on all models.
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