aliveagain
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posted May 23, 2006 05:42 PM
cylinder studs
I just got my A.P.E. cylinder stud kit(told ya fliteleader).Should I use blue or red loctite on the new studs and what torque setting?
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VincentHill
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posted May 23, 2006 05:56 PM
RED! Put them in tight the If using the 2 nut method about 15 PSI but torque the Buts using the 12 point socket and go about 5 PSI over stock to take advantage of the studs
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posted May 23, 2006 07:03 PM
AliveAgain,
Have you ever considered getting someone that actually understands this shit to come help you out?
I'm not beating on you, but you have been fucking with this motor (and fucking it up) since I joined this site.
You probably could have a new 14 with what you've spent on parts and labor trying to get it right.
Where do you live?
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posted May 23, 2006 07:08 PM
3rd rock from the sun and take a left! 
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MadMike
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posted May 23, 2006 08:50 PM
I personally did not use any loctite on my APE head bolts...
one thing to remember clean the bolt holes very very good!! and blow them out with air. that way you dont create a hydrolic lock and break your case...
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aliveagain
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posted May 24, 2006 05:32 AM
Thanks for the tips guys,I knew I had to clean it out good because of the graphite used during assembly but the bit about hydro lock was new.
Blitzkrieg,tell me about it.I beat myself up every now and then at how much money is in the bike until I realize,I like what I'm doing.I'm old school and like doing as much as I can.Problem is knowing when to call it quits.I also know that if this bike has to go to a mechanic,it will be pushed to the corner and stay there for a long time.Count your blessings everyone if you have the ability to bring it to a cheeseman or carpenter but for me financially its a no go.May I remind you that it is apart right now because I brought it to "someone who knows".As a mechanic,I can be a real hack,but the alternative is to get a new hobby.Fustrated,yes,but I love bikes and enjoy the people that come with it.What are you going to say when I ask for help on the turbo.LOL
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posted May 24, 2006 06:28 AM
I guess I best be counting mine, cause I am very greatful. Must make a mental note
to drop some BBQ off with the builder.
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rac4it
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posted May 24, 2006 07:07 AM
I dont see the point in studs for the 12 unless you're putting boost on it. Waste of time effort and money.
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VincentHill
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posted May 24, 2006 07:26 AM
What MM Is talking about is if you just squeeze some loctite in the holes and run the Studs in. Use the Loctite on the Threads of the studs only. If you do not Loctite them you will run into the possibility of defeating the main purpose I think you are using them for and that is to avoid wear and tear on the Aluminum threads in the case. Remember to use and oiled antiseize or good syn oil on the Threads that the Nuts go on to get proper torque readings. Even when you think you know what you are doing, things can come up! I have worked on the Watercooled Kawasaki's since 1984 and can still mess up from time to time when I either miss a step or forget to do something. Not often but When you have had these engined apart about 20 to 30 times, you can go the other way and be stupid into thinking you know what you are doing!! Hang in there guy, it will all come out right in time!
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posted May 24, 2006 07:31 AM
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I dont see the point in studs for the 12 unless you're putting boost on it. Waste of time effort and money.
i disagree for a built motor, it is really not that much time, money or effort. since the bike is apart anyway...
and the wear goes to the head bolts not the engine cases...
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aliveagain
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posted May 24, 2006 07:39 AM
It made sense seeing how many times the motor was apart.
Sometimes the big picture isn't always evident.I am a drug addict and have never been able to save more than 2 thou and that was years ago.I suffer from low self esteem and was discouraged from doing anything.I survived for months on a loaf of bread a day.I was so greatful for a bottle of sesame seeds once as I hadn't eaten in days.Altho I've been clean for 7 yrs,its evident its not just about drugs.When I go into jails and rehabs to tell them there is a way out,I share about my bike as part of my life.That I can follow my dreams and not be bound by fear.I say this because with all the help this site has given me,you have no idea where that seed of hope just landed and can pull someone else out of active addiction.I might not do as well as Y2KZX12R but I'm proud of what I've acomplished on the bike and life because I'm aliveagain.
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posted May 24, 2006 09:15 AM
You shouldn't have to justify doing anything to your bike after all it is YOUR bike.
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posted May 24, 2006 09:28 AM
AA, I stopped by CCE the other day and saw your head. I saw what went wrong and why it happened. Not a big deal.... Bill said he was waiting for the cam from you. When he's done with the head let me know when you want to put it back together and i'm there.
I'll get ya squared away. No worries.
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aliveagain
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posted May 24, 2006 11:45 AM
Hopefully the cam will get here tomorrow and I'll drop it off Fri.I think I'll bring the cylinder over also to check for warpage.I don't want another blown gasket.I have to take it off anyway to clean for the cylinder studs.Your engine stand would be nice also as it sits rather precarious on the work bench.Thanx
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posted May 24, 2006 12:36 PM
I have a 10r engine apart on the stand right now sorry. But i'm not using the 12r mount for the engine stand if you have access to another stand.
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blitzkrieg
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posted May 24, 2006 07:24 PM
I applaud your overcoming the monkey bro, but you gotta hook up with somebody that knows these motors and can help you.
Trial and error gets expensive and frustrating.
What part of the U.S. do you live in?
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posted May 24, 2006 07:38 PM
quote:
I personally did not use any loctite on my APE head bolts...
Neither do I. I use ARP assembly lube.
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posted May 24, 2006 07:43 PM
quote:
You shouldn't have to justify doing anything to your bike after all it is YOUR bike.
And that is exactly right.. !!!!!!!
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VincentHill
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posted May 25, 2006 06:10 AM
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I personally did not use any loctite on my APE head bolts...
Neither do I. I use ARP assembly lube.
We are talking about where they go in the case. The Lube is good for the Threads and the Nuts, but if you have ever had the nuts seize on the threads of the studs, then you have defeated the purpose of having studs because the entire stud will unscrew in the case. The Idea is for them not to come out!
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posted May 25, 2006 07:36 AM
Nice for them strokers and for around 120.00 might as well do it if ya got the engine
out. Plus I thought the Metal was stronger than stock. It would be nice if ARP made
some like they do for the Busa. Some of them oversized Busa bolts get torqued to
85 ft/lbs. It don't hurt to have a little extra insurance cause them head gaskets on
them 12's sure ain't as easy to change as other bikes.
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posted May 25, 2006 02:51 PM
well no less you are to be applauded
for stick to it.......
go to the A R P site
no not the AARP site
read carefully......
no less APE SRP have phone lines
while they dont want to accept any addl liability
for ineptness & someone hearing 1 thing
& doing another
from their xperience they can tell you what lock to use
altho its been my experience
a Stud installed properly.....................yiou really dont have to worry about it
looosening up
all this other crap is ......................"just in case"
installed improperly results in snapped or broken studs
"ouch that hurts" ...........truly my worst nightmare
itts very important the satuds & resulting holes be very clean
NOT LUBED so you can get proper/correct torque readings !!!!!!!!
good luck
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