deathpulse
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posted March 21, 2006 02:10 PM
Has anyone bought a Muzzy's zx-12 Crate Motor?
I'm curious. Seems like it would be an excellent way for me to take my time and build a great big boar motor, without "rushing". If I took the engine out of my '12, I couldn't ride her, and that would kill me. I'd probably rush everything and blow up the motor. With a crate motor, I could put the motor up on a stand, take my time, learn all I needed to know and really "do it right". Thoughts? Has anyone else done this?
  
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Jason9R
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posted March 21, 2006 02:34 PM
Good idea but for 5000$ you could buy two used engines. And there is no factory warranty either. !!??
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12r1
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posted March 21, 2006 02:47 PM
How much could one of you engine guys build me a stroker for?? How long would it take??
thankyou, Jeff
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posted March 21, 2006 03:45 PM
 Edited By: blitzkrieg on 21 Mar 2006 15:46
Yep, I'd find a good builder motor to start with.
I look at it this way - if you are replacing the cylinders, pistons, rings and crank why start with a brand new motor? You'll never get even close to cost for the original parts.
Five 0 is the man to get in touch with concerning a builder block. He's like the WalMart of zx-12r parts. 
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MadMike
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posted March 21, 2006 04:09 PM
I could build a stroker motor for ya... it would take about a month, depending on parts delivery... and the total cost would be 3500.. send me your motor and I can do it. if I have to remove the motor it is 200 bucks more
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worm~hole
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posted March 21, 2006 04:21 PM
...who's a good builder in SoCal within 100 miles of I-15 and Hwy76??
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MadMike
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posted March 21, 2006 05:32 PM
I dont know about So-Cal, but Mike Vellasco? is up in Oregon/Washington... he is a very good builder...
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CrotchRocket
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posted March 21, 2006 06:18 PM
If your sending the motor to upper west then just send it to Muzzys 
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TRNorBRN6001
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posted March 22, 2006 02:26 PM
Five o ----- he is the parts man --- Thanks for the Basket its a beaut!
Send to Muzzy ?????? It would be six months and your first born! Ha, Ha, Ha.
Hope Rob does not see this post as I think he was on here lurking a little bit ago.
Talk to Buddy, He got a smoking deal from Coby Adams on a built motor, cause
it an't cheap building a motor. I should have gone that route.
Best Idea is to pick up a used motor and send it to Mad Mike he'll hook you up
especially if you don't want to spend 10K! One month is good turn around.
If it's a street bike and ya want a big stroker, be ready for cooling problems.
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Marcos Peguero
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posted March 22, 2006 04:07 PM
you have to have:
1- a budget
2- a hp goal
and then compare the 2 of those.
mine was a low budget and a mild mooded engine and I spent like 1000 USD and have a pretty fast bike, + 350 on brakes and suspension and my bike is a terror among bikers on the street here in Santo Domingo.
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rac4it
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posted March 22, 2006 04:23 PM
sell your 12, and get a 14, done + you get another 3 years of warranty and about the same power and cost
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MadMike
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posted March 22, 2006 08:00 PM
its not the same power...
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worm~hole
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posted March 22, 2006 11:16 PM
quote:
its not the same power...
...good or bad?
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Y2KZX12R
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posted March 23, 2006 04:09 AM
Or cost.
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five 0
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posted March 23, 2006 03:12 PM
ZX12R Walmart???? Thats a thought!!!!
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rac4it
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posted March 23, 2006 05:30 PM
Sorry Mike, the truth is that a ZX14 with a pipe and bolt ons makes similar power to a 1361 stroker 12. For this guy, it would be cheaper to upgrade BIKES than do a seperate stroker engine and still be left with an old bike.
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deathpulse
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posted March 23, 2006 07:01 PM
you think thats true rac4it? I mean, my 12 with a pipe, no kleen air, airfilter and pc-iiir makes 175 HP - darn close to that 14.... I'm thinking a built engine may make more?
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Triggerman
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posted March 23, 2006 07:02 PM
here is you engine mod .
APE offers the REAL ZX14.
At 1394cc the APE kit makes your ZX12 nearly 50 cc larger than the a new factory ZX14.
This kit consist of 86mm forged pistons with a cylinder block bored and re plated to fit, a 60 mm fully nitrided and race-balanced stroker crankshaft, and Carrillo rods.
This kit will provide awesome power and torque increases. Requires customers stock cylinder block and crankshaft with the order.
$2713.00
Sounds good to me !
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posted March 23, 2006 07:45 PM
mine has 196.... and I think more in there... I think your only going to get mid to high 180's on the 14, with a pipe and pc... maybe not but we will see soon... I am talking pump gas here.... apples to apples...
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TRNorBRN6001
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posted March 24, 2006 08:40 AM
Yeah, it would be cheaper to wait a couple years, sell your 12 and pick up a used 14.
That APE kit is a great deal, but it ain't no drop in kit. There is a lot of clearance issues and
then ya got to deal with keeping it cool on the street. It ain't cheap getting 190-200HP all N/A.
Count on spending at least $1500.00 on top of that $2713.00. If ya gotta have it, and it's gotta be N/A, and ya gotta budget then do a 1290 big bore kit.
But, if ya gotta have the power, then just throw a little juice in and if your scared of da juice
get a Mr. Turbo ZX-12 Kit for around 5 or 6K and have 240HP on pump gas all the time.
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Marcos Peguero
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posted March 24, 2006 09:36 AM
lot less trouble to get a used zx14, then put some goodies and I bet that the 196 ho will be piece of cace.
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posted March 24, 2006 10:26 AM
quote:
. It ain't cheap getting 190-200HP all N/A.
Count on spending at least $1500.00 on top of that $2713.00. quote]
At least!!!! but boy it sure if fun to ride!!! 
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posted March 24, 2006 12:15 PM
Yeah, I'll be riding one of them 00 strokers soon. Even if ya could get 190HP from the
14 with a pipe and PC I'd take my old Bug scoop up front any day. Only thing that
might take it away would be a ZX-10 Turbo, But I am getting a touch too old and fat for
them fly bikes.
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