mach111
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posted March 29, 2002 02:58 AM
raced an 02 today
Is it faster or slower,and are all the improvements worth a f!?k. the question everyone is wanting answered.i don't think so.my friend just broke in his pearl black and gold 02 tonight.told me it was more comftorable,better handeling, and smoother on the acceleration than his 00.than called my 01 instinct because of all the changes this year,(big mistake).i'm by far not a professional dragger but i do my share of dragging.he also is a good rider.he's at 225lbs.,i'm 250lbs so it was a fair run. 65 degrees outside in flatland florida.were both stock.all runs were rollon's.we raced a half mile twice than 2 miles twice.all i can say is 2 to 4 bike lengths each run probably made him think he should have kept his perfectly good 8,000 mile green 00.i did get a ride on his.it's still the same basic 12 as 00 and 01.i could tell a little difference but not much.now don't get me wrong i have always been a kawi fan and been riding bikes for 25 years bottom line is i think all 3 models are great.In my opinion if you have a nice 00 or 01 i would not buy a 02 if you think it is really changed and a better bike....I will say this though,if you do not have one :GET DOWN TO YOUR KAWASAKI DEALER AND BUY ONE OF EM!!
  
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PaulVincent
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posted March 29, 2002 07:55 AM
 Edited By: PaulVincent on 29 Mar 2002 07:56
machIII Thanks. I think that you're going to save me some money (at least for now).
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zrxzx12r1
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posted March 29, 2002 09:44 AM
It would be interesting to see how they compare in some twisty stuff, I suspect none of the changes they made will make any difference in a straight line.
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PaulVincent
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posted March 29, 2002 12:33 PM
machIII, Just how many miles did the '02 have on it? I am convinced that not less than 3000 miles are necessary for break in.
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posted March 29, 2002 12:41 PM
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machIII, Just how many miles did the '02 have on it? I am convinced that not less than 3000 miles are necessary for break in.
That was kind of my thinking two. I bet it will run better as the miles roll up on it.
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Zx23rr
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posted March 29, 2002 12:58 PM
But..............
Aerodynamically speaking, the 00-01 will out run a 02!
The parts in of them selfs may be more aerodynamic, but with the ram air and all that extra 4.41 lbs of metal spinning large, all things being equal, I'll put my money on a 00-01 every time.
Kawasaki doesn't have to make the bike go 200 anymore, therefore, it only needs enough power to run 186. To help in that quest, they can keep the hp level where it is and may it dirtier design by making it "LOOK" better. IMHO of course.
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blkrnbw
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posted March 29, 2002 01:48 PM
hrm
Does that mean Suzuki is going to work on making the Busa look better?
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22348bCVC
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posted March 29, 2002 02:20 PM
Yeah but...
IMHO, its all about refinement of an existing platform. Since ultimate top speed is no longer a 'concern' to the manufacturers, things like quality of parts, fit, ergonomics, asthetics, durability, etc. have taken precedent.
Besides, with the exception of some of the handful of fringe lunatics  here, who will actually explore the high side of and indicated 186MPH on a daily, let alone, weekly, basis? Not too many, I think...and if you wanted ultimate top speed, you gear it, stroke it, bore it, juice it, pump it, etc., which means the debate of whether the 00-01s are better thatn the 02-0?s is kinda' moot because [iMOST of us modify our bikes in one way or another to make it OUR'S.
Save your money (and send a portion of it to CVC's 50th B-day Motorcycle EuropeanTour Fund) and just tell the naysayers that a bike just like your's but modified somewhat and with a horse jockey on board did such and such in the quarter and at Bonneville...let just enjoy our bikes, congratulate the '02 owners, encourage our accomplishments, and not start a my-dick-is-bigger-than-your-dick debate, shall we? ..and if I had the funds, I'd have had an '02 CTB 12R in my garage, too!
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posted March 29, 2002 02:57 PM
Just one question...
How do lower bars make a bike MORE comfortable?
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22348bCVC
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posted March 29, 2002 04:46 PM
Edited By: 22348bCVC on 29 Mar 2002 16:50
...ya' got me on the comfort issue, but I've read some people say its more comfortable for them...not for me, I'd like to install a set of heli-bars on my 12R and would intsall it on the 02 as well, but if I were to use the bike on the track (road course), I'd leave the stock ergos (of the 02) to help keep the front planted I suppose...those of us who ride the 12s year-round on the highways and mountain passes for recreation and fun for any length of time and miles know what I'm talking about...there are a few ergonomic issues that could be improved upon in all years...ie. seat, bar pegs, windscreen, etc.
track work would be different, I guess...no time to "get comfortable", per say, other things to think about like braking points, entry speeds, exit speeds, drafting, blocking, chicanes, rolling chicanes, apexes, umbrella girls and the like
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PaulVincent
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posted March 29, 2002 05:10 PM
2234, We haven't yet seen enough of the '02 to determine if it is or is not quicker and/or faster (when the limiter is defeated) than the '00. But just because Eurocrats got their way on 186 top end, doesn't mean that consumers aren't still interested in top end and doing what must be done to achieve it. And if a Busa or a 12 owner can only get to wring it out once a month, that is far better than not being ever able to do it. God help us all if man ever gets to where he is not interested in continuing to push the envelope.
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ZXtra
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posted March 29, 2002 06:53 PM
Re: Comfort
Comfort is a relative thing. I went from a GSXR750 to my ZX12, so I think the ZX12 is comfortable.
I know Redelk loved his ZX7 and I think he would agree with this. If you do alot of twisties there is nothing better than a low set of bars and some high rear set footpegs to get you plugged into a bike and over the front wheel. You have to experience it to know what I mean.
Of course this arrangement is not good for long distance touring. My GSXR used to beat up my hands and wrists bad enough that they would hurt for hours after. My back was never affected.
But I sometimes wish for that riding position again. That new R1 looks pretty attractive to me sometimes. -ZXtra
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posted March 29, 2002 07:07 PM
I'd kill for lower bars and rear sets!
I've already wondered if the triple clamp of an '02 would fit on a '00. Since Doug says their damper won't currently fit an '02... it's kind of a moot point. I couldn't afford that part anyway. The same goes for the rear set. I've also thought about rotating the footpeg brackets upward, by putting some kind of extention between the bottom bolt hole on the frame and the bottom mounting point of the bracket. I really haven't tried to see if it would be even possible, but it's still a thought.
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posted March 29, 2002 07:57 PM
Edited By: EastBayDave on 29 Mar 2002 19:57
Don't get the Helibars. I did & hardly noticed the difference. $200 is a hell of a price for no diff...
Now Spencer makes a billet triple clamp with 1.5" risers that works with the Muzzy dampener. That's my next step...
Not to pee on anyone's cherrios, but does anyone make rearsets/footpeg mounts that would allow FORWARD/DOWNWARD positioning? My fairing always drags first, & the hip cramps after a few tanks is killing me...
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mach111
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posted March 30, 2002 04:18 AM
Edited By: mach111 on 30 Mar 2002 05:03
p.v:
I'm not exactly sure how many miles the 02 had on it.I do know he broke it in right,as says the manufacturer.He did do a few short highway trips with it to make the clock tick faster. I know he has over 2k on it,mine has 3,800 on it.Maybe it will get faster a few ticks down the road,but maybe mine will too.Were gonna go at it again sunday morning and hit some twisties too,but i will have my muzzy exh on,and p.c111r in.I think he is going to try and put a slip on for sunday,but not sure if it will work?hope so.
We don't have many "twisties" here but there are a few
places we can go at it.I think the 00-02 will be very close in this area,changes or not.One thing is for sure,now that were all speed resricted i can agree with the fact that kawisaki will concentrate more on handeling,quality of parts and looks,i myself like the looks of all the models,but that area is all self opinion.
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posted March 30, 2002 08:08 AM
Edited By: PaulVincent on 30 Mar 2002 08:09
machIII, Thanks. And I agree that better handling is a good thing, but I really hope that KHI doesn't ever forget why it created the 12.
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posted March 30, 2002 04:40 PM
Mach111 i did post your report at Our site the Northcal check this out
http://www.thelegionnaires.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=25&TID=210
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PaulVincent
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posted March 30, 2002 07:53 PM
Saw this at Labusas:Well guys:
I went back to the track today with 2 2002 12's this time, one with:
Bike 1 (Blue) Bike 2 (Red)
16-44 gearing stock gearing
K@N air filters stock filters
stock exhaust stock exhaust
lowered lowered
89 octane pump gas 89 octane
Bike 1
60........1.62 1.61 1.60 1.59
330...... 4.14 4.12 4.09 4.09
660...... 6.17 6.16 6.14 6.13
mph..... 120.61 120.38 120.25 120.35
990...... 7.89 788.5 7.86 7.85
1/4....... 9.45 9.44 9.42 9.40
mph...... 149.57 149.45 149.35 149.85
Bike 2- stock everything
60.......1.63 1.66 1.62
330.....4.19 4.22 4.17
660.....6.27 6.28 6.25
MPH....117.66 118.96 119.09
990.....8.02 8.02 7.96
1/4.....9.61 9.59 9.53
MPH...146.86 147.68 148.01
2 different bikes
comparable numbers
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mach111
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posted March 30, 2002 10:32 PM
those are incredible #'s.when will they make a super bike for us 200+lb guys to get that time!!!...hail kawi mean machine.........
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PaulVincent
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posted March 30, 2002 10:45 PM
machIII, Yes, those are incredible times. I just hope that it is representative of the majority of the '02's.
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mach111
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posted March 30, 2002 11:29 PM
i would love to see the numbers with aftermarket exhaust on the bike.my buddy has a 00 with muzzy full ti,lowered,p.c111-(tuned great), with a few other mods.he runs that 16/44gearing. he got a 9.44 in 1/4 at 149 flat.he is a excellent 135lb.dragger.i'd love to see him on that set-up on a 02. maybe he'd hit the 8's!!!!!that would blow a busa's mind.
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PaulVincent
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posted March 31, 2002 06:58 AM
machIII, Yes, it would be interesting to see what an '02 would do under those circumstances.
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22348bCVC
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posted March 31, 2002 11:59 AM
Kawasaki=BIG HPs
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machIII, Thanks. And I agree that better handling is a good thing, but I really hope that KHI doesn't ever forget why it created the 12.
...yeah, I agree with you 100%...you know, why don't they just make it 'politically correct' with a...(ahem)...'wire' that the end user can...uh...cut to get 'unrestricted?
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mach111
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posted March 31, 2002 07:15 PM
cuz no one would get rich makin it that eazy....
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posted March 31, 2002 07:39 PM
At the shootout last weekend,(Texas),Highlands Kawasaki's Jeff Peck ran a 9.6 something at 146 and a 9.5 something at the same mph on a lowered stock geared but piped 02 model,from what I heard of his launches,they were not anything spectacular,(he's good on the long bikes)but I would kill him on a short one,the mph's that day were normal for Houston,I thought it was a tail-wind,but when I made a run on the busa that day,it was a cross-wind by the 8th mile mark,and at the end,I was leaning to the right a bit,my guess is that it's a little better at pulling the stock gearing compared to the 00-01's,I haven't even heard of anything below 146 yet with a stock pipe and gear-that fact alone says something,and Peck weighs maybe as much as me(175-180).
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