wylde
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posted February 28, 2006 08:06 PM
Cat
whats the deal,, how can i tell if i have a california model 00 and i keep hearing references about the cat converter,, or what ever the kleen air setup is,, and how you should remove it,, or cap it off,, when i took the stock pipe off to put the muzzy on,, there was nothing connected to it,, anyone enlighten me,, always down for a lil free power!! thanx
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supra5677
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posted March 01, 2006 09:36 AM
the kleen air is above the valve cover...cap all that crap off including the tube that goes to the air box.. asked others who have done this mod more professionally..
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frEEk
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posted March 01, 2006 10:04 AM
what is the advantage to removing the Kleen air system? i seem to remember people not seeing any HP gain from it. not sure that losing 1lb of weight is worth dumping more pollution.
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kawasabi
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posted March 01, 2006 10:19 AM
With the Kleen system in place I am pretty sure that you will get false readings of the A/F mixture if your running a O2 sensor in the exhaust. I know for sure that it affected my ZX11 when I was running the kleen system.
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supra5677
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posted March 01, 2006 12:15 PM
you'll have to ask y2k i think he quoted 1-2 rwhp
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wylde
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posted March 01, 2006 07:55 PM
never noticed a sensor when i removed the stock pipe???
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blitzkrieg
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posted March 01, 2006 09:22 PM
You won't gain any HP by removing the Kleen Air.
You will all but eliminate back-firing.
There have been claims of .1 to 3 hp by running the crankcase vacuum mod. I can neither confirm nor deny that claim.
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TedG
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posted March 02, 2006 08:17 AM
The cat is in the header pipe and can be removed. A pain in the ass. It is the honeycomb stuff you see when you remove the can. Easiest way is to cut off the end of the pipe.
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kawasabi
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posted March 02, 2006 08:21 AM
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never noticed a sensor when i removed the stock pipe???
There is no sensor but if you add one to read A/F mixtures the Kleen system and its injection of air into the exhaust throws the reading off.
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blitzkrieg
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posted March 03, 2006 04:09 PM
I missed your question above about how do you tell if a bike is a California or 49 state model Wylde.
Take a look at this document, I show the differences between an California Kleen Air system and the rest. This link is for the Crankcase vacuum mod (which I do not recommend because we have had several people who were getting low oil pressure warning lights afterwards and that was never resolved).
http://www.zx-12r.org/Motorcycle_info/Information%20Pages/KleenAirRemoval_CrankCaseMod/Kleen%20Air%20Removal%20With%20Crankcase%20Vacuum%20Procedure.htm
This link shows the Kleen Air mod with Muzzy block off plates, which is what I run on my A1 (in fact that is my A1 in all the pics):
http://www.zx-12r.org/Motorcycle_info/Information%20Pages/Kleen%20Air%20Removal%20Project/Bike_ZX12_Maintenance_index.htm
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wylde
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posted March 04, 2006 06:35 PM
Hey Blitz,, so what yoursaying is that if mybike is equipt with the second option of your links then i have a cal model,, is that correct?,, very interesting procedure,, wish i would have asked this question before i put the thing back together,, does this mod help at all and if so how?? thanx bro
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blitzkrieg
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posted March 05, 2006 09:55 AM
The easiest way to determine if its a Cali spec bike is:
1) The Kleen Air pump looks like the one noted in the first link as same.
2) The Cali bikes have a charcoal evaporation cannister that sits under the rear cowl
Realistically the main purpose of removing the Kleen Air is to get rid of backfiring. If you put on an aftermarket pipe (I run an akrapovic) it will backfire substanially with the Kleen Air still installed (especially at high RPM's).
You can do it on the cheap by just plugging the factory kleen air covers, but I like the Muzzy block off plates because they really clean up the top of the motor and create a lot more room to work up there. Plus they are only like $30 and even though you really can't see them once everything is back together they do look good indeed.
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wylde
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posted March 05, 2006 01:53 PM
that cleared up the answer i was looking for ,, thanx bro
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