VincentHill
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posted January 22, 2006 01:32 PM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 22 Jan 2006 14:12
Service Manual and Ron Ayers Fiche are WRONG!
On the ZX12R (At least the 2000 A-1 Model at least the Front Brake Caliper had 6 inserts (1 for each Piston) it insulate the heat from the Calipers and also do not allow the Frequency Noise transmitted from Squeaky Brakes. Looking at the ZXRm it has none if these so I was trying to find the part number so that Randall could order me a set of 12 for the ZRX.
SURPRISE Surprise, they were not in the ZX12 Service Manual and they were not on the Ron Ayers Micro Fiche either  ! I need them so where are they??
Understand that the part is not shown in the Fiche! In this Fiche you will see a Part "Like" it but not the same that goes into the Cup / Piston! (4304 A & B instead of an Open Piston, there is a plastic . Ceramic Button that keeps the Heat from getting into the Caliper and stops the Frequency Vibration) If this gets bad enough, I will remove a caliper from my ZX12R and show the part installed and remove one and take pictures. Just hard to believe I could not find it on the Fiche!
See Part Number 92145?? Something like that on the 2000 A-1 ZX12R that I "DO" have in my bike.
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speedgene
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posted January 22, 2006 03:57 PM
I usually back, and forward date (same model years)... looking for a drawing and part # I can't find. First year intro of that brake design might show the part you're looking for? If not, try looking for another model that uses the same brake design. If a smaller bike model uses one single piston with the same pt.# (43048), then check for the "insert" on this Fiche card.
I wish I knew the product line to help you more, but here is an alternative way I search for an elusive part I can't find.
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VincentHill
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posted January 22, 2006 07:06 PM
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I usually back, and forward date (same model years)... looking for a drawing and part # I can't find. First year intro of that brake design might show the part you're looking for? If not, try looking for another model that uses the same brake design. If a smaller bike model uses one single piston with the same pt.# (43048), then check for the "insert" on this Fiche card.
I wish I knew the product line to help you more, but here is an alternative way I search for an elusive part I can't find.
That is how I found this part. None showed for the 00, 01, 02, 03, and only a late 04 even showed this.
I think I may have to Call Kawasaki tomorrow to find them! It would be hard for me to believe that the only way to get them is to buy the Caliper since they can't even stay in by themselves!
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posted January 22, 2006 10:58 PM
i'm rebuilding my brakes as we speak. i bought my 12r new. IT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING INSIDE THE CALIPER PISTONS. my brakes no sqeeky. ... i am looking for a new as can be right caliper or pair
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VincentHill
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posted January 23, 2006 06:22 AM
There were a lot of "little" things the 00 had that the later ones did not have. Like the Curved all Metal Valve Stem. Maybe this was an 00 Only also!
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posted January 23, 2006 02:29 PM
mine is a 2000 zx12r
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VincentHill
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posted January 23, 2006 03:03 PM
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mine is a 2000 zx12r
All the Better! I am going home and Pull a Caliper off to make sure I am not seeing things and take a Picture!~
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posted January 23, 2006 03:21 PM
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mine is a 2000 zx12r
All the Better! I am going home and Pull a Caliper off to make sure I am not seeing things and take a Picture!~
Vince, let me make sure I am on the same page as you.
Are you talkiing about the black plastic circular inserts that go inside the pistons and have a "+" sign scribed in them on one side?
If so, they are only on the rear pistons, not the front.
My '00 does have them on the rear, not the front. The fiche shows them as part of the rear piston assembly but not a separate part as far as I can find.
I've owned my '00 since new and nobody has touched the bike except me so I am certain thats the way it came.
Its the circular thing between the piston and the seals on this fiche:
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speedgene
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posted January 23, 2006 04:19 PM
This rear caliper fiche shot looks odd to me? On the upper caliper half, the quad ring #49 goes in first. O-ring #06 is the outer dust seal. The "plastic +" with no part number is the piston?... or "plastic +"? Is #20 the piston?
The no-part number "plastic +", and #20 should be reversed.....no? That's one.
The other is the no-part# "plastic +" not having a number might mean... it only comes as unit complete. Meaning you are SOL if the rear "plastic +" melts at the rear caliper. You will have to buy the whole rear caliper assembly to get the "plastic +" buttons. Jumping too quick here... does another fiche page show the rear caliper unit as one part number? If not, then Kaw needs a call for that part number.
I'll have to keep an eye on a dragging rear wheel then. Thanks, that's something to remember.
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VincentHill
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posted January 23, 2006 05:31 PM
Blitz, Thank You! I am all better now! I knew I had seen the Buttons on the 12 but not on the ZRX.
MY Mistake, the Buttons are no on the Front but on the rear! The Reason I was able to see the Piston marks on the ZRX Pads and not on the ZX12 Pads is because the ZRX did not have the Metal Backing Plates
The horrible Screeching of the ZRX Made me know something was missing because the marks on the Old Pads were not on the 12 Pads so I thought it was the Buttons. Look at the ZRX Brake pad
Now the ZX12R Brake Pad! I do not see any difference.
My question now is, The Metal Plate on the Back of the4 ZX12 does that come with the Pad? Does that mean that the only way to get that plate is to order a set of "OEM" (from the Dealer) set of Brake Pads?
Thanks for the Help, I needed it!
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posted January 23, 2006 05:43 PM
Well, not arguing the fiche weirdness.
The plastic "+" inserts that came out of mine look nothing like the drawing. The drawing looks like a valve bucket with a shim sitting on top, when in actuality they have slots cut down the side (as do the pistons - inside).
They are called "piston insulators" in the manual but I can't find them on bikebandit.com's fiche either - other than the drawing, and they look just like the ronayers fiche above.
My guess is they are one of the "non-serviceable" parts we all know and love?
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posted January 23, 2006 10:44 PM
When ever your questioning something about 12R front calipers, you might want to check the P series (96-03) ZX-7R. Besides the actual color of the caliper itself, they are identical.
Both bikes also ran 320mm rotors and they too are the same (beside the color of the carrier).
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posted January 24, 2006 04:36 AM
Blitz, Again, you saved me from total Frustration. Yes they are "Insulators" and have an "X Cut into them ,more like a + Mark! Red I will be looking there next!
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posted January 24, 2006 05:21 PM
When I toasted my first set of front rotors on my 12R, I used the Braking USA rotors I had taken off my '97 7R, before I traded it in.
I also used the spare o-rings I had left over from the 7R calipers on mine and other friends' 12Rs.
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VincentHill
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posted January 25, 2006 01:12 PM
I just bought a Set of ZX12R Stock Brake Pads that have the Metal Pieces on the Back of the pads. I am going to take them off and put them on the Squeaky brakes pads and see if the noise goes away. Then I will know what is doing what!
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posted January 25, 2006 04:43 PM
Vince,
I'm going to assume you are chasing a squeak... is that why the teardown?
Do the pads drag on the discs?
My approach for squeaky pads:
A toothpick bead on the wear contacts (of the cal/piston) will help with (copper) Anti-Seize compound. I know about the blue silicone deal. The copper compound has worked in my applications over the blue.... (for racing = all dry metal contacts).
Then I prep the (used) squeaking pad by scrubbing the brake material on a cement floor/sidewalk/brick/etc. It won't take but a few strokes. Rub till new skin appears...fluff excess with a clean dry paper towel. Install....then a minor "brake-in" (did it for the pun of it) burnish to finish.
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