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posted September 15, 2006 02:02 PM
Yep, its an oil heater/cooler. It warms the oil up quickly and cools it once the oil temp is above the coolant temp. Works both ways.
   
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stef12rr
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posted September 15, 2006 03:21 PM
yes i now that, but i mean a extra one because somebody told me that i will need one with the 1375
Guys i really appreciate the help the info you gave to me and i will do the job!
an i sympathize with you for lost on the 9-11
because here Quebec we had a tragedy at the Dawson college similar to columbine but with lest casualties.
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posted September 15, 2006 04:52 PM
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You wont need an oil cooler.
Where can you get the bolt to eliminate the cooler?
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posted September 16, 2006 04:13 AM
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yes i now that, but i mean a extra one because somebody told me that i will need one with the 1375
Does this person have a 1375 that develops high oil temps because the stock cooler cant keep the oil cool?
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stef12rr
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posted September 26, 2006 12:26 PM
the guys told me he want it the 1375 cc , and the méchanic toll him, he will need an extra coil cooler for me i don't because i already have an extra oil cooler in stock
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posted September 26, 2006 12:46 PM
Coby Adams removes the cooler completely on race engines.
There is no cooler on the muzzy filter relocate kit.
These are for race engines, Many 1361/1375 with stock cooler.
Do your current engine blow?
Some builders like to replace the cooler and oil pump when a engine blows.
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stef12rr
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posted September 26, 2006 03:41 PM
no it din't blow yet lolll because i did not do the job, my engine it still a 1200cc
i would like to know the counter balancer , can't i take it out and replace it by the dummy http://www.muzzys.com/ZX12counter_balancer/index.html
if it so will i have more vibration
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stef12rr
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posted September 26, 2006 03:49 PM
Y2KZX12R Iam looking to the same think as you on the cylinder, i wonder i hard the metal is?, because i got a mills do you think that i can do does slot with the mills.
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Y2KZX12R
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posted September 26, 2006 05:27 PM
The block is aluminum and the plating is nickasil. It mills very easy and only chipps slightly. You will need to radius it after you mill it so the tiny chips in the nickasil will be ground away anyway.
I dont know on the vibration issue with removing the balancer.
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dougmeyer
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posted September 27, 2006 09:30 PM
If you remove the balancer, the bike feels like a 1994 Suzuki GSXR-1100.
Don't worry about an extra oil cooler.
It's also my opinion that a properly built, tuned and bled 1375 running at anythng less than full throttle will not appreciably hotter than a stocker. And AT full throttle, assuming the bike is moving through the air and not on a dyno, that extra temp wil be easily controlled by the stock cooling system.
hp=heat
Think about it.
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posted September 28, 2006 03:09 AM
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a...1375 running at anythng less than full throttle will not appreciably hotter than a stocker. ... hp=heat Think about it.
Doug, you are very consistent in this position, and you know i write down damn near every pearl of wisdom which escapes your lips... 
However, my experience doesn't jive with your statement.
All 1361, 1375, 1427's I have seen have run hotter than my 12 when it was stock. Not just my built motors, ALL of em I have encountered. They seem to heat up faster and seem to throw throw more heat while operating. Maybe everyone is jacking up the CR and that makes em hotter??
I do understand that hp = heat but...
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posted September 28, 2006 05:37 AM
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It's also my opinion that a properly built, tuned and bled 1375 running at anythng less than full throttle will not appreciably hotter than a stocker.
hp=heat
Think about it.
"Tuned" / "bled"
Maps being on the lean side will allow an engine to run hotter.............
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dougmeyer
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posted September 28, 2006 10:50 AM
I know Karl. I know a lot of people THINK that. But explain to to me. Tell me by what process the motorcycle is not able to cope with that extra "30 hp worth of heat". It MIGHT heat faster due to the thinner bores and the greater area exposed to combustion products, but if we're talking a 25% increase in power at MOST and at W.O.T. only, just where does so much heat come from that the cooling system can't cope? I'm open minded here.
My 1340 never got close to hot even after 1.5 minutes at FULL throttle on a 85 degree day haulin' ass through some less than desireable thin air.
I am CONVINCED that 90% of all cooling complaints come from two sources- insufficient airflow through the radiator for the power being generated, and/or improper hose routing and / or air in the system.
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posted September 28, 2006 11:05 AM
Think of it this way.... your cruising down the highway level ground at 70. Then lets assume it takes 20 hp to keep you going that 70 mph. A stock 12r or a 1375cc 12r would require the same 20 hp of out put to both maintain 70mph. So the total heat produced is the same.
I havent seen any temp difference at all on the gauge going from 1199 to 1375. Sitting idling it does go up a few ticks on the gauge but it did that when it was 1199cc also.
I'm not even running a Muzzy fan with the 1375.
Just 60/40 antifreeze/water and water wetter.
Also about 3"x5" of my radiator has no air flow thru the fins becasue there all bent over flat from small stones etc peening the fins over from the front wheel. (it gets ridden on 1 mile of gravel dirt road every time it gets ridden)
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posted September 28, 2006 11:08 AM
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(it gets ridden on 1 mile of gravel dirt road every time it gets ridden)
My GOD man it's way past time to pave that road or move 
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posted September 28, 2006 11:21 AM
Na, its fun standing on the pegs on the power on the dirt. Its just a 500# dirt bike.
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posted September 28, 2006 11:42 AM
85 degrees is Oct - Nov Temps for us down hear in central and south TX. I do believe it was 91-92 yesterday and thats common. Like you said 90% + are running hot in the South due to traffic in the summer time (No air flow and heat). I have had my stock 12 dip into the red once in summer time traffic and like you said with the extra area in the combustion chamber, greater piston speed and thinner walls it is something that concerns me. I have taken measures to keep the heat out of the engine and exiting the exhaust along with a better fan to move more air and one of those over sized radiators too...................... But I would like one of those Oil pans with the extra quart and swivel pick up for us regular non-side winder pipe guys!!!!! Those things are beauties!!!!
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stef12rr
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posted September 28, 2006 03:24 PM
Y2KZX12R thanks , my 2004 zx12 have 2 fans and motor for cooling, i don't no for the earlier model i think they got one ? am i right
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posted September 28, 2006 03:49 PM
Ever since I did a thin head gasket and cam timing to my 02 12r, I noticed it runs hotter than it use to. However since I added a push fan on the front side of the radiator I haven't had any problems..
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posted September 29, 2006 02:07 AM
stef, yes the 2000 has one fan.
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posted September 29, 2006 06:06 AM
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Ever since I did a thin head gasket and cam timing to my 02 12r, I noticed it runs hotter than it use to. However since I added a push fan on the front side of the radiator I haven't had any problems..
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Yes, this is probably the right solution for the problem. I did the same and with the Muzzy fan installed. Running on Engine ice coolant everythings is AOK. Never had a problem with heat.
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posted November 13, 2006 04:58 PM
Y2KZX12R Tomorrow i make the window,after i send the cylinder to put 1287 cc piston
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posted November 15, 2006 06:48 PM
the valve are done to,
next
i will rebalance and take some weight off the crank
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Y2KZX12R
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posted November 16, 2006 06:18 PM
Whos doing your machine work? Is there a lot of engine shops in your country?
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posted November 17, 2006 03:00 PM
no i do it myself and yes we do have some shop Y2KZX12R to do a lot modification , Jacque Villeneuve was born here lollll i woudht like to put some pic but i don't know how
i have done almost everything that you did, except the window betwen the 2 cylinder, they go down together in the mildel of the engine( i like it when she's doe's that)
and i want to light my crank and take off 2 kilo what do you thing about that? Y2KZX12R ;o)))
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